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MegaDeath
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 Posted - 05/09/2005 : 09:49:05
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Originally posted by Roman76
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Originally posted by MegaDeath
resist stunu.. jenze na stun jeste nikdo nechcip, na seduce uz nas chcipli miliony.. na stuny mas insignii, na seduce mas jen a pouze wotf
Stun je jedina vec co drzi rogue pri zivote v duelu s Warem takze pokud mu resistnes 25% coz se me zda nekdy ze je to i vice :o) tak zadne stunlocky nehrozi.
jediny co drzi rogue pri zivote je lag, kterej zpusobi kliknuti na tlacitko "sprint"  |
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moonwraiths
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Posted - 05/09/2005 : 20:52:48
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mam malej dotaz
je lepší při DW abych měl v MH pomalou zbran s vetsim dmg a v OH měl nějakou rychlou. nebo radši obě dvě rychlý.
jo a ještě jeden dotaz, taky malej :-))
do kolika se bere, že je to rychlá zbran? |
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 05/09/2005 : 23:39:18
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dw fury nebo arms?
dw fury potrebuje v main hand co nejrychlejsi zbran (1.3-1.5 - napr flurry axe) aby mel co nejcasteji heroic strike
dw arms - to mi prijde jako debilni build, ale cetl ze nekdo takovej existuje, tak ten potrebuje co nejpomalejsi mainhand, aby mel co nejsilnejsi mortal strike/overpower |
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Stilgar
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Posted - 06/09/2005 : 02:35:19
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Originally posted by MegaDeath
dw fury nebo arms?
dw fury potrebuje v main hand co nejrychlejsi zbran (1.3-1.5 - napr flurry axe) aby mel co nejcasteji heroic strike
dw arms - to mi prijde jako debilni build, ale cetl ze nekdo takovej existuje, tak ten potrebuje co nejpomalejsi mainhand, aby mel co nejsilnejsi mortal strike/overpower
no se zbrani jako rank14 onehand, 1H mace z BWL nebo deathbringer by to mohlo fungovat ...
ale tak dobry jako 2H alternativy (srovnmatelny s tema 1H) to nebude |
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moonwraiths
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Posted - 06/09/2005 : 20:26:43
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jo a ještě jeden malej dotaz :-))
je dobrý používat 2h zbran při furry buildu? |
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Quart
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Posted - 10/09/2005 : 21:04:33
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Quart | Troll Warrior | Shadowmoon |
[ Quart | Troll Warrior | Drak'thul ]
[ Orel | Ptaci Hnizdo | Enemy Territory ] |
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moonwraiths
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Posted - 11/09/2005 : 17:57:21
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| co si myslíte o tom rezistu v defens talentech? mylíte že se to vyplatí? |
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 12/09/2005 : 09:24:35
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| ja myslim, ze defense talenty se nevyplati vubec, leda kdybys chtel hrat na pve serveru, nebo mel radost z ownovani warrioru, nic jinyho s tim delat nejde |
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Rahman
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Posted - 12/09/2005 : 13:55:29
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Def build nema sanci proti rekneme arms buildu.
A jiste ze se def build vyplati, warrior coby tank je jedna z nejzabavnejsich class vubec, warrior coby damage dealer je docela nuda. Pochopitelne to oceni jen nekdo, koho bavi tymova hra ;-) |
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 12/09/2005 : 14:55:20
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no prave ze moje zkusenost je takova, ze pokud maj dva warriori srovnatelnou uroven equipu, tak defense > arms docela s prehledem
nejvetsi vyhoda je last stand ve chvili kdy ti souper chce dat execute  |
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Rahman
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Posted - 12/09/2005 : 18:26:50
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| No nevim s kolika def warrama ses mlatil. Ja jako def warr mam pri obrane zasadni vyhodu vicemene jen v shieldblocku, kteryzto se proti obourucce moc neprojevi. Nicmene pravda nemam zkusenosti z levlu 60, treba to tam bude vypadat trochu jinak. |
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 12/09/2005 : 18:35:31
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ja sem klasickej arms warrior s modrejma vecma na lvl60, mam arcanite spear z bg a 30% crit, souper byl klasickej defense warrior jeste bez epicu z mc (takze neco jako +/- 420 def, vysoky dodge a parry a block)
hlavni jeho zbran je: obrovsky parry, vysoka sance na to ze ho vubec netrefim, conclussion blow nebo jak se to menuje, last stand pokud mu klesnou zivoty pod 20%
warrior killer ;) da se dat jen s velkym luckem na crity
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Rahman
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Posted - 12/09/2005 : 18:43:16
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| Ta defence by mohla hrat roli, ja mam zatim jen 374 (lvl 59) |
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Chihuri
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Posted - 12/09/2005 : 18:54:28
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| vyhoda je cca 65% redukce meele dmg oproti 30%v zerg stancu, brutalni mnozstvi hp,vysoka defense, shield block, stun z improved revange taky neni k zahozeni atd... |
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Rahman
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Posted - 12/09/2005 : 19:05:33
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No kdyz ten arms warrior mlati v berserk stancu do warra se stitem, tak to je potom tezky :)
Stun z imp revenge mezi nami nic moc, silene ho degraduji diminishing returns (po chargi ma prvni stun polovicni duration, dalsi uz immune).
Krom toho revenge neni zrovna uber pvp specka, je sice instant, ale kvuli te smesne damagi nema smysl casovat positioning. |
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Roman76
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moonwraiths
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Posted - 12/09/2005 : 20:50:58
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aby jste porozuměli, ja to myslel takle. a spec na zbran by byla podle toho co by se používalo
Arms Talents (31 points)
# Deflection - 2/5 points
Increases your Parry chance by 2%.
# Improved Rend - 3/3 points
Increases the bleed damage done by your Rend ability by 35%.
# Improved Charge - 2/2 points
Increases the rage generated by your Charge ability by 6.
# Tactical Mastery - 5/5 points
You retain up to 25 of your rage points when you change stances.
# Improved Overpower - 2/2 points
Increases the critical strike chance of your Overpower ability by 50%.
# Deep Wounds - 3/3 points
Your critical strikes cause the opponent to bleed, dealing 60% of your melee weapon's average damage over 12 seconds.
# Two-Handed Weapon Specialization - 5/5 points
Increases the damage you deal with two-handed weapons melee weapons by 5%.
# Impale - 2/2 points
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your abilities in Battle, Defensive, and Berserker stance by 20%.
# Sweeping Strikes - 1/1 point
You next 5 melee weapon swings strike an additional nearby opponent.
# Axe Specialization - 5/5 points
Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Axes by 5%.
# Mortal Strike - 1/1 point
A vicious strike that deals weapon damage plus 85 and wounds the target, reducing the effectiveness of any healing by 50% for 10 seconds.
Level 48: Damage plus 110
Level 54: Damage plus 135
Level 60: Damage plus 160
Fury Talents (11 points)
# Cruelty - 5/5 points
Increases your chance to get a critical strike with melee weapons by 5%.
# Improved Demoralizing Shout - 5/5 points
Increases the attack power reduction of your Demoralizing Shout by 40%.
# Piercing Howl - 1/1 point
Causes all enemies near the warrior to be dazed for 6 seconds.
Protection Talents (9 points)
# Anticipation - 5/5 points
Increases your Defense skill by 10.
# Iron Will - 4/5 points
Increases your chance to resist stun and charm effects by 12%. |
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Deimos
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Posted - 13/09/2005 : 06:55:12
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No fakt nevim kde ste na to prisli ze deff war vyklepe armsaka. Abych to upravil na spravnou miru.
def warr nema zazracnou ability na uhybani. oproti arms warrovi ma tak cca 5% vesti sanci na dodge, co je proti arms warrovi skor nevyhoda a tak o 5% vetsi sanci na parry. Je to pomer amrs/def warr (dodge+parry) neco kolem 20%-30% cca. takze ziadne uber cislo to neni. taky "brutalni" hp nejsou az tak pravda. def warr nema o hodne vic hp jak arms warr. prumerna vybava arms warra konci nekde kolem 5k hp. deff warr nema ani 6k hp, pokud ovsem nezanedba ostatne staty ako defence.
Arms build je idealny pvp build, na ktory deff warr ani nahodou nema. je to proste opancerovana plechovka ktoru se neoplati zabijet z jedineho duvodu a to je ze to jenom dlouho trva, to je vse.
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Who is General Failure?
and why is he reading my disk? |
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Trimanius
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Posted - 13/09/2005 : 08:20:29
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| Tento Topic si ctu, obcas se i zasmeju, ale nerad odpovidam, abych nerozpoutal nic neresici diskuze. Jen drobnost reagujici na posledni zasveceny topic - jakozto def ST Zdechlin mam bez problemu pres 6k zakladniho HP, a to dokonce v pripade, ze si nasadim equip. kdy DEF jedu prave na ukor Staminy, takze jen pro upresneni ... |
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MegaDeath
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1989 Posts |
Posted - 13/09/2005 : 09:20:33
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| ja si stojim za svym, pro me defense warrior = arms warrior killer |
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Deimos
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Posted - 13/09/2005 : 09:22:39
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Originally posted by Trimanius
Tento Topic si ctu, obcas se i zasmeju, ale nerad odpovidam, abych nerozpoutal nic neresici diskuze. Jen drobnost reagujici na posledni zasveceny topic - jakozto def ST Zdechlin mam bez problemu pres 6k zakladniho HP, a to dokonce v pripade, ze si nasadim equip. kdy DEF jedu prave na ukor Staminy, takze jen pro upresneni ...
bavime se zamozrejme o non epic vybave, a nebufnute. jak to bolo naznacene v postoch pred tym na ktore som reagoval |
Who is General Failure?
and why is he reading my disk? |
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Noztra
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Posted - 13/09/2005 : 09:39:59
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Mam jako prot warr momentalne 480 defense a rogue nebo arms/fury warr me vetsinou nedaji. Nemaji temer sanci se do me trefit a v defensive stanci a shield blockem je dmg od nich i s 2h nebo od rogue celkem smesna - hity za 50hp od rogue nejsou vyjimka :)
Smutne je, ze po defense nerfu uz to takova slava nebude :)
BTW i v duelu mlatim Quel Serrar a mam shield, nejedu 2H a staci to. Je lepsi mit vetsi AC a shield - shield slam kdyz critne, hitne rogue klidne za 800-900 a to uz je slusnej boost dmg pro protection warra v duelu, rozhodne lepsi nez 2H a dostavat o dost vetsi dmg.
Samozrejme na maga, paladina apod. nemam vubec sanci, ale to plyne z buildu :) |
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Edited by - Noztra on 13/09/2005 09:43:00 |
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Eskymak
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Posted - 13/09/2005 : 11:46:03
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Nemám sice Epic set,ale otestoval jsem jak Full Deff wara tak Arms.
Deff war v PvP je o neco horsi nez Paladin.Vydrzí asi tak stejně,ale dmg da o dost mensí.Idealní je do WG na nošeni vlajky pokud mu za zady funí healer.
V průměru Arms je schopen do 4 sec dát 2-4k dmg.Dobře postavený Fury možná i více.V1/1 jsem měl nekolik duellu s Full deff warem co mel podobný ekwip jako tu popisujes.Nemel sanci.Jako zbran mam Arc. reap.
Deff bonus mu moc výrazně proti crit nepomahal.Skoro se domnívám ze Def v pvp pouze zvedá sanci na štít a parry.A k slamu za 800 do rouga to je hodne ubohá rana za tolik rage.Rogue povetsinou pod 1500dmg nejde.Pravda nehraji na,SM ale na Tunderhornu.Jako problem je dobře hranej frost mage nebo ku podivu Warloc.Jako lahůdku doporucuji Huntera nebo Rouga radost to porcovat.
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Trimanius
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Posted - 13/09/2005 : 13:32:18
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| Jinak ještě snad drobnost – jet def wara, pokud si chcete užívat veškeré vymoženosti na serveru (PvP, občas solování,…) je hloupost. Zvlášť to pochopíte, až budete srovnávat 60 crit a def wara s high equipem. Naprosto čistý def war, včetně čistého buildu i equipu je nutný pouze pro high raid, kde je ovšem nezastupitelný (jakožto MT, případně ST). I zde jde však ruku v ruce i high vybava - a to vetsinou v několika variantách (sám nosím do MC i do BWL dva bagly s vecmi a changuji equip ci doplnky). Prostě def war má logicky i jinou úlohu ve hře. Def warr tedy není žádný nesmyslný build, jak se tu někdo snaží nadhazovat, ale je fakt, že má pouze velmi úzké specifické využití a není potřebný v takovém množství. Jiný druh hraní je neskutečně obtížný a frustrující oproti namasterovanému crit warrovi, proti tomu samozřejmě neprotestuji. Nemluvím zde o různých hybridech, ale o skutečně čistém def warrovi, jak buildem tak equipem a stylem hraní, tím rozhodně vašim námitkám přitakávám, nikoliv je vyvracím. |
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celdric
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Posted - 11/10/2005 : 14:08:11
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protoze si pohravam s myslenkou trosku ozivit sveho wara na 21. levelu a mit ho jen na blbnuti, kdyz me unavi shaman, hunter, druid ;-) a nechci s nim hrat pvp... tak se optam jakej peknej build udelat do pve...
pocitam, ze by mel byt "specializovan" na instance... proste pve war... nejake rady? a prip. jestli v tom buildu tlacit napred fury nebo prot... pocitam, ze arms se pve warovi moc nehodi... |
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Pepo
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 24/10/2005 : 15:03:32
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| jo sulfuras zahreje, otazka co je lepsi mit v ruce, rank14 sekeru/polearm nebo sulfuras? |
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 24/10/2005 : 16:01:50
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Originally posted by MegaDeath
jo sulfuras zahreje, otazka co je lepsi mit v ruce, rank14 sekeru/polearm nebo sulfuras?
Rank 14 sekera/sword/polearm je imo lepsi. +410HP +52atk power (36str) a 1%crit FTW! |
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Pepo
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Posted - 25/10/2005 : 12:30:33
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| Njn, ale do rank 14 je este vela roboty, ked ten sulfuras je uz teraz |
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 26/10/2005 : 09:32:28
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| pristi tejden budu mit v guilde treti rank14 :) uz mame jednoho warra a jednoho rogua, pristi tejden nas ceka druhej warr rank14, mazec |
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 26/10/2005 : 09:36:41
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Originally posted by MegaDeath
pristi tejden budu mit v guilde treti rank14 :) uz mame jednoho warra a jednoho rogua, pristi tejden nas ceka druhej warr rank14, mazec
Vy mate v Black Division uz 2 14? Hmm to teda mate farmeru  . |
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- When you can't run you crawl, when you can't crawl, when you can't do that, find someone to carry you.
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 26/10/2005 : 09:37:49
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Originally posted by Shemiramoth
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Originally posted by MegaDeath
pristi tejden budu mit v guilde treti rank14 :) uz mame jednoho warra a jednoho rogua, pristi tejden nas ceka druhej warr rank14, mazec
Vy mate v Black Division uz 2 14? Hmm to teda mate farmeru .
jinej server, jina guilda http://www.wow-europe.com/pvp/index.html?r=Ragnaros&faction=a :) |
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 26/10/2005 : 09:57:55
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| Zatracene . Klikal jsem na tve stare postavy. Stejne, ja nechci hrat BG's ja chci hrat OUTDOOR PvP! Blizzarde ja bych te bil. |
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Pertha
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Posted - 26/10/2005 : 10:04:29
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Originally posted by Shemiramoth
Zatracene . Klikal jsem na tve stare postavy. Stejne, ja nechci hrat BG's ja chci hrat OUTDOOR PvP! Blizzarde ja bych te bil.
ja chci hrat bg , bravo blizzarde konec nesmyslnym zergum v taren millu a konecne poradny pvp |
Rock is overpowerd, please nerf. Paper is fine.
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 26/10/2005 : 10:17:25
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Poradny PvP v BG ...
Edit: Nikdo se nebavil o TM! |
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Pepo
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Posted - 26/10/2005 : 10:59:11
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| Hlavne AV |
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Pepo
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MegaDeath
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Pertha
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Posted - 26/10/2005 : 12:30:32
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Hlavne AV
mno ja hraju hlavne a predevsim ab, a tam si v 15vs 15 uziju docela pvp dost jediny co me vadi je ze se to zbytecne rychle ukoncuje :) |
Rock is overpowerd, please nerf. Paper is fine.
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Colldor
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Posted - 26/10/2005 : 12:58:13
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Originally posted by Pepo
Hlavne AV
mno ja hraju hlavne a predevsim ab, a tam si v 15vs 15 uziju docela pvp dost jediny co me vadi je ze se to zbytecne rychle ukoncuje :)
jakej si lvl perthiku ? :) |
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Pertha
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Posted - 26/10/2005 : 13:04:19
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Originally posted by Pertha
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Originally posted by Pepo
Hlavne AV
mno ja hraju hlavne a predevsim ab, a tam si v 15vs 15 uziju docela pvp dost jediny co me vadi je ze se to zbytecne rychle ukoncuje :)
jakej si lvl perthiku ? :)
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Rock is overpowerd, please nerf. Paper is fine.
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Pepo
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Posted - 26/10/2005 : 20:22:32
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Aha, to som teda nevedel s tymi linkami. Tak teda Ravencrest horde. To je vlastne aj dovod preco sme este nezabili ani jednoho BWL bossa a ragnarosa sme zabili asi az pred mesiacom.
A jasne, AB aj WSG su uz lepsie na ,,pvp,, taktiku, ale AV je hruza. |
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 14:51:36
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tak docela ted premejslim o zmene talentu, chtel bych vyzkouset dve veci:
blood craze - aneb regenerace 3% HP over 6 sec (u me to je cca 150hp/6sec)
jsou classy a bitvy, ktery trvaji dlouho a tohle je neco jako kdybych mel dalsich 15 stamina na ukor cca 30AP z imp. battle shoutu
anger management - nikdy sem tenhle talent nemel, co jsem se docetl, tak po dobu, kdy je clovek v combatu, tak generuje 1rage/tick (to se v popisce nepise). To mi prijde jako dobrej kseft, a pokud by to byla pravda, tak bych tomu obetoval 1% parry z deflection
nekdo nejaky poznatky a zkusenosti? |
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MA3X
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 15:31:20
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quote:
Originally posted by MegaDeath
tak docela ted premejslim o zmene talentu, chtel bych vyzkouset dve veci:
blood craze - aneb regenerace 3% HP over 6 sec (u me to je cca 150hp/6sec)
jsou classy a bitvy, ktery trvaji dlouho a tohle je neco jako kdybych mel dalsich 15 stamina na ukor cca 30AP z imp. battle shoutu
anger management - nikdy sem tenhle talent nemel, co jsem se docetl, tak po dobu, kdy je clovek v combatu, tak generuje 1rage/tick (to se v popisce nepise). To mi prijde jako dobrej kseft, a pokud by to byla pravda, tak bych tomu obetoval 1% parry z deflection
nekdo nejaky poznatky a zkusenosti?
medo prosimte muzes sem postnout tvuj pvp build? docela by me zajimal dikes moc  |
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 15:38:15
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| si klikni na jmeno Medule v podpisu, tam uz to najdes mezi talentama |
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MA3X
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 15:41:04
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quote:
Originally posted by MegaDeath
si klikni na jmeno Medule v podpisu, tam uz to najdes mezi talentama
no jo vlastne to me nenapadlo super dik |
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Roman76
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Seth
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Posted - 08/11/2005 : 19:52:43
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Originally posted by Roman76
Mec ... specka na mec je lepsi jak +5% na critic nebo trapna specka na Mace navic ve hre je spousta naslapanych mecu.
Nez si tohle lidi uvedomi, to bude trvat casu...
Nejhorsi je, ze je to matematika zakladni skoly |
Seth
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bo=protoze!
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Deimos
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Posted - 08/11/2005 : 22:11:21
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| no zas taka jedoducha matematika to neni |
Who is General Failure?
and why is he reading my disk? |
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 08/11/2005 : 23:27:57
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neni to jednoducha matika, vesmes to vychazi tak ze je to srovnatelny
ze je ve hre spousta mecu? jeden pada z hakara, druhej z nefariona a zbytek stoji za hovno... |
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