no pokud vím, tak hlavní výhodou je kromě zmiňovaných nižších nároků na energy a +7 dmg bufu/debuffu to, že Hemorrhage není ovlivněn weapon speed normalizací zavedenou v patchi 1.8. Pro výslednou dmg se se u standartních útoků a specek AP násobí u kudel koeficientem 1,7 a u ostatních 1h zbraní koeficientem 2,4. Proto Hemorrhage profituje z pomalé MH zbraně s co největší dmg range. Zbraň s nižší rychlostí než je normalizace je pro Hemo neefektivní.
ja uz sem z tech rychlosti jelen ... zbrani s nizzsi rychlosti myslis zbran s rychlosti vyssi nebo jak? rychlost 1 je rychlost vyssi a rychlost 3 je nizssi (cisla sou obracene ) ono to je fuk ale rikas ze na hemo vzit zbran 2.4 a vyssi cislo rychlosti (pomalejsi zbran) nebo obrazene vzit zbran rychlejsi protoze se koeficient pocita porad 2.4 (to by odporovalo te vete predtim ze profituje z pomale zbrane (ten max dmg je jasnej )
ja uz sem z tech rychlosti jelen ... zbrani s nizzsi rychlosti myslis zbran s rychlosti vyssi nebo jak? rychlost 1 je rychlost vyssi a rychlost 3 je nizssi (cisla sou obracene ) ono to je fuk ale rikas ze na hemo vzit zbran 2.4 a vyssi cislo rychlosti (pomalejsi zbran) nebo obrazene vzit zbran rychlejsi protoze se koeficient pocita porad 2.4 (to by odporovalo te vete predtim ze profituje z pomale zbrane (ten max dmg je jasnej )
:) Myslím to takhle: Hemmo není ovlivněné touhle normalizací, takže narozdíl od SS (kde je AP násobené koeficientem) je u Hemmo násobeno skutečnou rychlostí zbraně. Takže s mečem, který je rychlješí nebo kolem 2,4 speed se vyplatí spíše SSkovat (např Maladath má speed 2,2 ale AP je násobené u SS normalizací 2,4) naopak u pomalejších swordů než je 2,4 je efektivnější používat Hemmo (např AQR s jeho 2,8 by byl u SS násoben taky 2,4 ale u Hemo se počítá se skutečnými 2,8) Samozřejmě je tam je tam pro Hemo ještě ten osmý extra útok navíc díky nižším energy nárokům.
- If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain. - When you can't run you crawl, when you can't crawl, when you can't do that, find someone to carry you. - Achiever 27%, Explorer 67%, Killer 27%, Socializer 80%
No jestli si budeš chtít ověřit teorii v praxi , tak se ozvi.... Takový paladiny jako ty si dávam ke snídani se šlehačkou
Haha je funny cist zpravy, kdyz ten co je pise nevi ani...Zkus si najit Listicku na Drakthulu a uvidis. :)
- If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain. - When you can't run you crawl, when you can't crawl, when you can't do that, find someone to carry you. - Achiever 27%, Explorer 67%, Killer 27%, Socializer 80%
Jo a takovy rogue jako ty si davam k snidani se slechackou.
- If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain. - When you can't run you crawl, when you can't crawl, when you can't do that, find someone to carry you. - Achiever 27%, Explorer 67%, Killer 27%, Socializer 80%
Hmm , měl sem políčeno na paladina a chytne se war...
Nj jsem jenom tupy orc.
- If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain. - When you can't run you crawl, when you can't crawl, when you can't do that, find someone to carry you. - Achiever 27%, Explorer 67%, Killer 27%, Socializer 80%
rapid concealment ftw... nedokazu si to uz bez nej pomalu predstavit
mel sem to dlouho ( sam to vis :) ) a taky sem z toho byl odvarenej ale postupem casu clovek zjisti ze ty 4 talent pointy nevyuziva ani nahodou tak casto
btw. captain hook alias captain sandra is coming :)
"The time for desperation is upon us. Let's play."
rapid concealment ftw... nedokazu si to uz bez nej pomalu predstavit
mel sem to dlouho ( sam to vis :) ) a taky sem z toho byl odvarenej ale postupem casu clovek zjisti ze ty 4 talent pointy nevyuziva ani nahodou tak casto
btw. captain hook alias captain sandra is coming :)
Rapid concealment je dobry maximalne do BG, ale pro nejake duely a gankovani nekde v outdoor je to zbytecnost.
Jsem zvedavej jestli tam je nejaky pekny main hand k tomu fistu.
Jeste tu nekdo vzpominal ten revamp, tak nemusi hned delat nejake brutalni predelavky, ale daji se treba pro PvE vymyslet decentni zmeny, kdy treba warr ma talent anticipation, coz je defense, tak rogue by mohl mit naopak treba neco pro +weapon skill.
To, ze Buh nikdy nebyl neznamena, ze neni treba se Ho zbavit.
quote:Originally posted by Mefisto imo je to naopak takovej dost dueling talent ... v outdoor pvp potrebuju malokdy restealthovat hned po openeru, mozna tak na gankovani magu v AV :p
Sak sem psal, ze pro outdoor to je zbytecnost , ze to je lepsi spis na ty BG, coz mas AV,AB,WSG
To, ze Buh nikdy nebyl neznamena, ze neni treba se Ho zbavit.
Jak znam logiku blizzardu, tak k tomu offhand fistu z Naxxu nebude zadnej slusnej main a bude se muset zustat u clawu z BWL (or 14r)
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Vanishing in PVP is allowing autoattacks from the opponent directly after vanish, instantly breaking stealth if they swing right after the rogue vanishes.
PVP opponents are apparently tracking rogues through restealths, not losing target, and autoattacks are staying on. This knocks the rogue out of stealth again with an autoswing as soon as they're back in melee range.
dovolim si to sem pastnout cely, aby lidi mohli snaz oquotovat nektery casti
The review is well underway and we wanted to share a sort of first glimpse into the changes being made for the rogue talent review. Keep in mind that these changes are not complete or final, and the below information is likely to alter as we move into our testing phases. While not everything is listed, the below list encompasses the majority of changes being made in the review.
I'll be working in the weeks to come to get as much additional information as possible, but it is likely that quite a bit of the final information regarding talent changes will not be fully announced until the talent calculators go live. Of course you'll also be able to actually play around with the changes too once the Public Test Realms go up.
I'm going to just list the changes and provide additional information where possible or necessary. Let's get to it.
# The following talents have been removed: Improved Deadly Poison, Improved Distract, Throwing Weapon Specialization, Improved Vanish, and Rapid Concealment.
# Improved Instant Poison is now "Improved Poisons" and increases your chance to apply ALL poisons by 2/4/6/8/10%.
# Rapid Concealment has been merged with Camouflage, by combining these talents you not only get a great talent to start off the tree, but obviously it frees up a number of points to be spent elsewhere.
# Murder will now also apply to all finishing moves. The benefit this will provide to output and attack combinations is fairly straightforward.
# Vile Poisons now gives your poisons a chance to resist dispel effects, in addition to increasing poison damage.
# Improved Kidney Shot has been changed, and will instead increase the damage taken by the target while they are affected by Kidney Shot. This talent no longer reduces the cooldown of Kidney Shot.
# Improved Sprint has been changed, and will instead have a 50/100% chance to remove all movement impairing effects when you activate your Sprint ability. This talent no longer reduces the cooldown of Sprint.
# Improved Evasion renamed to Endurance, and will add a Sprint cooldown reduction.
# New talent Weapon Expertise in the Combat tree, increases your weapon skill with all melee weapons. The recovery of damage with an increased weapon skill should be a good boost to overall output.
# Initiative is being reduced to a 3 point talent, but resulting in the same 75% end chance to add an additional combo point.
# Elusiveness is being reduced to a 3 point talent, but resulting in the same 75 sec cooldown reduction to Evasion, Blind, and Vanish.
# Ghostly Strike now has a reduced Energy cost, the reduction of Energy was enough to make it necessary to also reduce the damage output slightly.
# Improved Garrotes damage reduction will be removed. This is being changed as part of an overall improvement for Garrote.
# Setup is being moved higher up in the tree, becoming a 16 point talent with no prerequisites, helping move the talent in reach of specific builds.
# New talent Heightened Senses in the subtlety tree, increases your Stealth detection, and reduces the chance for you to be hit by spells and ranged attacks.
# Hemorrhage will be moved up in the tree to become a 21 point talent. This should help to place the ability in a more reachable position, and allow for a little more versatility with specific talent builds.
# New talent Deadliness in the Subtlety tree, increases your Attack Power by a percentage.
# Premeditation will have its Energy requirement removed, changed to an instant cast, and range increased. Its cooldown will remain the same. Premeditation will now be pre-reqd by Preperation.
# Vanish will now remove effects that allow the caster to remain aware of the rogues presence, such as Mind Vision and Hunters Mark.
# Garrote, Rupture, and Eviscerate are being increased in damage. More details to come.
# Expose Armor will now reduce armor by a percentage.
I'll be continuing to speak with the designers and collecting as much additional information as possible in the coming weeks.
Thanks for reading.
jestli vyjde vsechno co ted napsal tak budem mit jeden z nejlepsich a nejpropracovanejsich a nejvic "feedback based" review ze vsech class
mam z toho desnou radost
"The time for desperation is upon us. Let's play."
quote:Originally posted by Mefisto # Vile Poisons now gives your poisons a chance to resist dispel effects, in addition to increasing poison damage.
tohle je super vec, bude sranda az si bude shaman snazit curnout poison aby se dostal od rogua a ono to nepujde shodit :)
quote:Originally posted by Mefisto # Improved Kidney Shot has been changed, and will instead increase the damage taken by the target while they are affected by Kidney Shot. This talent no longer reduces the cooldown of Kidney Shot.
dalsi imba vec, podle vseho by to melo fungovat tak ze CELEJ RAID bude mit behem toho stunu vetsi dmg do toho moba
quote:Originally posted by Mefisto # Improved Sprint has been changed, and will instead have a 50/100% chance to remove all movement impairing effects when you activate your Sprint ability. This talent no longer reduces the cooldown of Sprint. # Improved Evasion renamed to Endurance, and will add a Sprint cooldown reduction.
a razem se z combat rogua stava vcelku spatne kitovatelna postava
quote: # New talent Weapon Expertise in the Combat tree, increases your weapon skill with all melee weapons. The recovery of damage with an increased weapon skill should be a good boost to overall output.
zvyseni pve dmg v raidech .... DIKY BOHU !!!!!
quote: # New talent Heightened Senses in the subtlety tree, increases your Stealth detection, and reduces the chance for you to be hit by spells and ranged attacks.
tohle bude taky hodne zajimavy, i do pve ( zvlast jestli to bude fungovat i na aoe )
quote: # Hemorrhage will be moved up in the tree to become a 21 point talent. This should help to place the ability in a more reachable position, and allow for a little more versatility with specific talent builds.
ZOMG 30/0/21
quote: # Expose Armor will now reduce armor by a percentage.
PROSIM REKNETE MI ZE SE TO STACKUJE SE SUNDEREM !!!!
"The time for desperation is upon us. Let's play."
quote:# Vile Poisons now gives your poisons a chance to resist dispel effects, in addition to increasing poison damage.
Tohle vypadá opravdu zajímavě. Jsem zvědavý jak to bude fungovat v praxi.
quote:# Improved Kidney Shot has been changed, and will instead increase the damage taken by the target while they are affected by Kidney Shot. This talent no longer reduces the cooldown of Kidney Shot.
Také zajímavý nápad. Jen doufám, že to nebude na způsob Badge of the Swarmguard, ale opravdu pro všechny melee classy v raidu.
quote:# New talent Weapon Expertise in the Combat tree, increases your weapon skill with all melee weapons. The recovery of damage with an increased weapon skill should be a good boost to overall output.
Hurá! Konečně rozumná možnost odstranění glancing hitů. Jen doufám že to bude nějaká smysluplná hodnota.
quote:# New talent Deadliness in the Subtlety tree, increases your Attack Power by a percentage.
Proč proboha do Subtlety?! Jako combat roguovi se mi tam fakt nechce utácet body. Doufám tedy, že to alespoň bude hned někde z kraje.
quote:# Vanish will now remove effects that allow the caster to remain aware of the rogues presence, such as Mind Vision and Hunters Mark.
Paráda!
quote:# Garrote, Rupture, and Eviscerate are being increased in damage. More details to come.
To jsem na to zvědavý. Nekdě jsem četl, že by Garrote mohlo dávat nějaký krátký počáteční silence No a modlím se za to, aby opravdu udělali Eviscerate závislé na AP.
quote:# Expose Armor will now reduce armor by a percentage.
stackovat! stackovat! stackovat!
Celkově mi to ale přijde, že se 90% revmapu točí jen kolem Subtlety tree a hlavně tedy PvP. Což mě, jako PvP antitalenta a převážně PvE hráče docela mrzí. Uvidíme jak ty stromy nakonec budou vypadat, ale čekal jsem, že to překopou víc. Z mého pohledu combata se (až na ten +weapon skill, který je super) až tak moc nemění.
nevim jak si blizzard predstavuje pvp kdyz bez stun remove trinketu nebudu moct od zacatku do konce fightu ve stunlocku vubec nic delat. coz uz se mi ted parkrat stalo proti top vybavenym roguum.Hlavne picovyny typu +60energy trinket by meli zrusit...
nevim jak si blizzard predstavuje pvp kdyz bez stun remove trinketu nebudu moct od zacatku do konce fightu ve stunlocku vubec nic delat. coz uz se mi ted parkrat stalo proti top vybavenym roguum.Hlavne picovyny typu +60energy trinket by meli zrusit...
aspon ted pochopis jak se aliacnim roguum hraje proti shadowpriestovi:p
hahaha great i won LET'S DUEL AGAIN, NO FAIR U USED TRINKET!!! what's the point when im dead the second you fear me and i dont have trinket up NOOB !!!
"The time for desperation is upon us. Let's play."
nevim jak si blizzard predstavuje pvp kdyz bez stun remove trinketu nebudu moct od zacatku do konce fightu ve stunlocku vubec nic delat. coz uz se mi ted parkrat stalo proti top vybavenym roguum.Hlavne picovyny typu +60energy trinket by meli zrusit...
aspon ted pochopis jak se aliacnim roguum hraje proti shadowpriestovi:p
hahaha great i won LET'S DUEL AGAIN, NO FAIR U USED TRINKET!!! what's the point when im dead the second you fear me and i dont have trinket up NOOB !!!
aspon ted pochopis jak se aliacnim roguum hraje proti shadowpriestovi:p
:) alici jsou mi u prd***e..
Jen je tusim jasny jak bude vypadat outdoor solovani po rewampu outdoor pvp. to bude raj pro roguy ,protoze kdyz me gankne na mobovi warlock nebo treba war tak dojdu s5 najdu si ho a zabiju ho ovsem s roguem udelam houby.. s tim je jasny ze na 90% ceka opodal a cumi na me z hidu az zase budu mit pod 50% abych se nahodou nemohl branit..
aspon ted pochopis jak se aliacnim roguum hraje proti shadowpriestovi:p
:) alici jsou mi u prd***e..
Jen je tusim jasny jak bude vypadat outdoor solovani po rewampu outdoor pvp. to bude raj pro roguy ,protoze kdyz me gankne na mobovi warlock nebo treba war tak dojdu s5 najdu si ho a zabiju ho ovsem s roguem udelam houby.. s tim je jasny ze na 90% ceka opodal a cumi na me z hidu az zase budu mit pod 50% abych se nahodou nemohl branit..
A to rika clovek co hraje za class ktera taky ma stealth Co na to ma rict treba takovej warr ... nebo mage :)
nevim jak si blizzard predstavuje pvp kdyz bez stun remove trinketu nebudu moct od zacatku do konce fightu ve stunlocku vubec nic delat. coz uz se mi ted parkrat stalo proti top vybavenym roguum.Hlavne picovyny typu +60energy trinket by meli zrusit...
Kdyz pominu, ze res na stun muze nektera class ziskat skrze talenty, nebo to mag zrusi treba blinkem, dale pak to maji orcove jako racial abilitku a v neposledni rade na to pro nektere classy existuji trinkety, ktere ten stun od rogue rusi na 100% a neni to pouze nejaka % sance, tak tu jsou jeste veci jako Living Action Potion, kterym si ten stun muzes zrusit. Zkus na to koukat trosku objektivne a ne jen z toho pohledu, ze Te je nejaky rogue v top vybave schopny zabit behem full stunu a kvuli toho je to imba pro classu jako takovou. Kdyz se na to kouknes z druhe strany, tak co ma rogue rikat na orca huntera, ktery muze v top vybave udelat pres 6k life bez buffu + nosi mail + ma rezisty na stun za rasovku + ma trinket, kterym si muze stun zrusit
To, ze Buh nikdy nebyl neznamena, ze neni treba se Ho zbavit.
nevim jak si blizzard predstavuje pvp kdyz bez stun remove trinketu nebudu moct od zacatku do konce fightu ve stunlocku vubec nic delat. coz uz se mi ted parkrat stalo proti top vybavenym roguum.Hlavne picovyny typu +60energy trinket by meli zrusit...
Rogue je nejsnaze kitovatelna classa, i cvicena opice hrajici ranged povolani to zvladne pokud zrovna nepotka rogua jednou za 5minut kdy ma CD, po patchi se to bude dat rusit sprinet ktery ma taktez 5min CD takze buff minimalni. Co se tyce perma stunlocku, ten se pomerne da,ale opet s CD a ne proti vsem classam v tomhle smeru nevim co patch prinese, pze nejsou jeste talent buildery takze tezko posoudit co pujde nebo nepujde vytvorit. Imo stunlockovat do 0hp je uplne to samy jako fear/seduce chain od warlocka, imba neverending koreny od druida, imba frost mage defend spelly, hunter exploit fd/trap etc
No jedna vec me na tom docela stve a to, ze asi prijdem o nas ultimatni dps build (ano 16/25/10 popr 17/24/10), protoze to vypada, ze +skill talent bude hluboko v combat tree, tudiz na nej nedosahnem. A protoze cisty combat buildy pudou hluboko, tak si ho klidne vezmou, tzn ztrati se vyhoda 16/25/10, kterej je delanej ciste pro raid, solo grind i pvp s nim neni zadna slava (da se, ale proste to neni ono), takze by imo mel mit nejaky zvyhodneni.
Imo by spis meli opravit dagger buildy aby konecne nemuseli investovat body do vsech 3 vetvi, pokud chtej byt pouzitelny.
"My only dream is to destroy the nightmares of others."
nevim jak si blizzard predstavuje pvp kdyz bez stun remove trinketu nebudu moct od zacatku do konce fightu ve stunlocku vubec nic delat. coz uz se mi ted parkrat stalo proti top vybavenym roguum.Hlavne picovyny typu +60energy trinket by meli zrusit...
Rogue je nejsnaze kitovatelna classa, i cvicena opice hrajici ranged povolani to zvladne pokud zrovna nepotka rogua jednou za 5minut kdy ma CD, po patchi se to bude dat rusit sprinet ktery ma taktez 5min CD takze buff minimalni. Co se tyce perma stunlocku, ten se pomerne da,ale opet s CD a ne proti vsem classam v tomhle smeru nevim co patch prinese, pze nejsou jeste talent buildery takze tezko posoudit co pujde nebo nepujde vytvorit. Imo stunlockovat do 0hp je uplne to samy jako fear/seduce chain od warlocka, imba neverending koreny od druida, imba frost mage defend spelly, hunter exploit fd/trap etc
nevim jak si blizzard predstavuje pvp kdyz bez stun remove trinketu nebudu moct od zacatku do konce fightu ve stunlocku vubec nic delat. coz uz se mi ted parkrat stalo proti top vybavenym roguum.Hlavne picovyny typu +60energy trinket by meli zrusit...
Rogue je nejsnaze kitovatelna classa, i cvicena opice hrajici ranged povolani to zvladne pokud zrovna nepotka rogua jednou za 5minut kdy ma CD, po patchi se to bude dat rusit sprinet ktery ma taktez 5min CD takze buff minimalni. Co se tyce perma stunlocku, ten se pomerne da,ale opet s CD a ne proti vsem classam v tomhle smeru nevim co patch prinese, pze nejsou jeste talent buildery takze tezko posoudit co pujde nebo nepujde vytvorit. Imo stunlockovat do 0hp je uplne to samy jako fear/seduce chain od warlocka, imba neverending koreny od druida, imba frost mage defend spelly, hunter exploit fd/trap etc
to je proste frost mag ale jestli cekas ze budu tvuj intercept ( upgradnutej, s pvp setem ) s cooldownem 15 sekund povazovat jako dlouhej cooldown na to aby si zabranil kitovani tak sorry ale fakt ne :) mas charge mas intercept a mas hamstring mas pvp trinket ... imo mas daleko lepsi prostredky proti kitovani nez nonprep rogue
"The time for desperation is upon us. Let's play."
quote:Originally posted by l0bos Ciste ze zvedavosti, proc uz jsou posledni dobou koreny a pasti nepouzitelny?
o pastech moc nevim,ale zabil te za poslednich 6 mesicu nejakej druid pomoci korenu???? mno jasne ze ne,protoze se rezistujou jak sfina druhej cast vetsinou behem 2-3 vterin spadne sam kvuli svoji vlastni dmg , a pokud vydrzi tak je na 98% jisty ze pri prvni dmg spadnou... o tom ze jdou sundat X spusoby ani nemluvim.Proste jsou bugle spusobem ze jdou pouzit max v pve.
quote:Originally posted by l0bos Ciste ze zvedavosti, proc uz jsou posledni dobou koreny a pasti nepouzitelny?
o pastech moc nevim,ale zabil te za poslednich 6 mesicu nejakej druid pomoci korenu???? mno jasne ze ne,protoze se rezistujou jak sfina druhej cast vetsinou behem 2-3 vterin spadne sam kvuli svoji vlastni dmg , a pokud vydrzi tak je na 98% jisty ze pri prvni dmg spadnou... o tom ze jdou sundat X spusoby ani nemluvim.Proste jsou bugle spusobem ze jdou pouzit max v pve.
Zas tak strasny to neni, porad jsou super pri boji s vice protivniky na velkem prostoru a vubec pro ruzne situacni pouziti. Jen uz opravdu nefunguje drzet nekoho v korenech a prokladat to nukama.
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Zkus si najit Listicku na Drakthulu a uvidis. :)
Jako combat roguovi se mi tam fakt nechce utácet body. Doufám tedy, že to alespoň bude hned někde z kraje.
