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kyuss
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  10:36:35  Show Profile  Send kyuss an ICQ Message Send kyuss a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Oralin

No je možný, že se celá hra nebude tolik točit okolo healů jako jiné. Když budou healy pouze průměrné/podprůměrné a funkce WAR healerů budou více dps, CC a buffy, tak třeba nebudou hlavní cíl v PVP...




Mna vcelku mrzi ze v hre nebudu "pure" healeri, lebo si myslim ze to hre ubere na taktike. Ze to bude len o tom si vyberes nahodny terc a busis hlava nehlava.

Torevas <Virus> -- AoC Demonologist -- Aquilonia
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kyuss
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  10:57:13  Show Profile  Send kyuss an ICQ Message Send kyuss a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Inak, zaujimalo by ma, do akej miery su si producenti vedomi toho, v com spocival uspech RVR v DAoC, z ktoreho cerpaju. Mam obavu, ze sa zbytocne vydavaju dvoma rozdielnymi cestami na ukor hratelnosti. Na jednej strane chcu skvely RVR system, ale na strane druhej zvilili system boja z WOW, ktory je pomalsi, jednoduchsi a zda sa podla videi ze nudny, zdlhavy a nedinamicky. Chapem, ze EA pravdepodobne tlaci na to aby bola podobnost s WOW co najvacsia.

Tak isto aj Paul (cisty teoretik), ktory sice ma talent a veciam rozumie, ocividne ziadne MMO nikdy nehral a vcelku sa mu dari splietat dve na tri. Napr jeho opis questov (stale pripomina ake budu questy zabavne a originalne, ale koli nedostatku skusenosti nechape ze budu bavit ludi mozno tak prvy raz a koniec). Ja len dufam ze ho tam maju len na RP a nenechaju ho nijakym sposobom zasahovat do nicoho.

Torevas <Virus> -- AoC Demonologist -- Aquilonia
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ManiaCCC
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  11:13:21  Show Profile Send ManiaCCC a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Co sa tyka videi a pvp to necham bokom lebo to nerobi ani minimalny obrazo o tom ako pvp bude vyzerat po release..ale nesuhlasim s tebou.. Pomalsie boje su presne to co tymto hram chybalo..aspon podla mna. One shoot je sice fajn..ale ani zdaleka to neni to comu by sa dalo hvoroit boj.. je to proste o stasti. Ja velmi dufam ze boje budu pomalsie ako vo wowku lebo vo wowku su este boje privelmi rychle. To je jedna z veci co ma naozaj tesi.

Co sa tyka questov, to je kazdeho nazor. Ja som zrovna moc do questov neni takze viem ze ma to nebude bavit az tak moc ale mam kamosov ktory su uneseni z kazdodenneho opakovania daily questov vo wowku.. A tymto ludom budu tieti questy pripadat ako genialne.

A poslenda vec healeri.. vdaka bohu ze su tu uz neni heal boti. Dufam ze sa toto podari presadit ako trend pre healerske classy aj do buducich MMO.
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Meddy
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  11:14:47  Show Profile  Send Meddy an ICQ Message Send Meddy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bud v klidu clovek ktery ma na hrbu PR takovyhle rozmeru NEMA cas na cokoliv dalsiho (pindani a kafrani lidem do prace)

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Meddy
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  11:17:02  Show Profile  Send Meddy an ICQ Message Send Meddy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kyuss

quote:
Originally posted by Oralin

No je možný, že se celá hra nebude tolik točit okolo healů jako jiné. Když budou healy pouze průměrné/podprůměrné a funkce WAR healerů budou více dps, CC a buffy, tak třeba nebudou hlavní cíl v PVP...




Mna vcelku mrzi ze v hre nebudu "pure" healeri, lebo si myslim ze to hre ubere na taktike. Ze to bude len o tom si vyberes nahodny terc a busis hlava nehlava.



Netroufam si odhadnout jake to doopravdy bude ale zase na druhou stranu proc nezkusit neco jineho nez "kill helarz 1st u n00bz!!!"
Heh ackoliv mam obavu ze to tak zase dopadne :)

STS Chvojkovice-Brod
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Araya
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  12:00:58  Show Profile  Send Araya an ICQ Message Send Araya a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Meddy

quote:
Originally posted by kyuss

quote:
Originally posted by Oralin

No je možný, že se celá hra nebude tolik točit okolo healů jako jiné. Když budou healy pouze průměrné/podprůměrné a funkce WAR healerů budou více dps, CC a buffy, tak třeba nebudou hlavní cíl v PVP...




Mna vcelku mrzi ze v hre nebudu "pure" healeri, lebo si myslim ze to hre ubere na taktike. Ze to bude len o tom si vyberes nahodny terc a busis hlava nehlava.



Netroufam si odhadnout jake to doopravdy bude ale zase na druhou stranu proc nezkusit neco jineho nez "kill helarz 1st u n00bz!!!"
Heh ackoliv mam obavu ze to tak zase dopadne :)


v Daoc to vzdycky odsral prvni hadrak a urcite Theurg musel jit prvni, taky jsem byl theurg chvilku
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Elerias
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  12:48:11  Show Profile  Send Elerias an ICQ Message Send Elerias a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kyuss

Inak, zaujimalo by ma, do akej miery su si producenti vedomi toho, v com spocival uspech RVR v DAoC, z ktoreho cerpaju. Mam obavu, ze sa zbytocne vydavaju dvoma rozdielnymi cestami na ukor hratelnosti. Na jednej strane chcu skvely RVR system, ale na strane druhej zvilili system boja z WOW, ktory je pomalsi, jednoduchsi a zda sa podla videi ze nudny, zdlhavy a nedinamicky. Chapem, ze EA pravdepodobne tlaci na to aby bola podobnost s WOW co najvacsia.



Nesouhlasim ani trosku. To co pises me prave na WAR laka. Mam z L2 plne zuby instant killu od ranged DDs do heavy armoru a tradicni likvdidace bishopu (mass resser a ultimate healer)na zacatku boje. Rad bych aby se diky pomalejsimu boji zvysil efekt ruznych utility skillu ,debuffu ci efektivnich kombinaci akci.
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kyuss
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  14:10:34  Show Profile  Send kyuss an ICQ Message Send kyuss a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ja len tak ze som sa snazil vychadzat z 3 rocnej skusenosti z DAOC, kde som RVRkoval a PVPckoval stale. Nechapem napriklad preco nevyuzili system boja ktory fungoval perfektne a pustaju sa do niecoho s cim nemaju ziadnu skusenost, len preto aby to za kazdu cenu pripominalo ludom WOW. Tak potom sa bud snazia spravit kvalitnu hru a realne vyuzit svoje doterajsie skusenosti alebo sa snazia o nieco ine. Lebo obidve veci zafungovat nemusia. Odlozenie vydania koli nespokojnosti testerov s presne tymi vecami co som opysoval vyssie je toho dokazom, ze si vyvojari niesu na sto percent isti tym co robia.

Torevas <Virus> -- AoC Demonologist -- Aquilonia
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Fartil
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  14:15:48  Show Profile  Send Fartil an ICQ Message Send Fartil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ake odlozenie zas?
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kyuss
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  14:18:50  Show Profile  Send kyuss an ICQ Message Send kyuss a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Fartil

Ake odlozenie zas?



To posledne odlozenie, hra mala povodne vyjst 1Q, odlozili ju na 2Q a sef Mythicu sa nechal pocut ze ak si to situacia bude vyzadovat tak sa bude odkladat znova. Postol to na Warhammer Alliance 19.1. kde prispieva pravidelne na forum.

Torevas <Virus> -- AoC Demonologist -- Aquilonia
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kyuss
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  14:20:23  Show Profile  Send kyuss an ICQ Message Send kyuss a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kyuss

quote:
Originally posted by Fartil

Ake odlozenie zas?



To posledne odlozenie, hra mala povodne vyjst 1Q, odlozili ju na 2Q a sef Mythicu sa nechal pocut ze ak si to situacia bude vyzadovat tak sa bude odkladat znova. Postol to na Warhammer Alliance 19.1. kde prispieva pravidelne na forum.

Tak isto stopli betu aby mali cas narychlo implenetovat keepy ala DAOC.


Torevas <Virus> -- AoC Demonologist -- Aquilonia
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Fartil
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  14:25:51  Show Profile  Send Fartil an ICQ Message Send Fartil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Aha,som nevedel ze hra bola odlozena z tychto dovodov,takze po grafickej stranke su asi viacmenej hotovi,ide skor o balance. No ja si myslim a tajne dufam ze dalsie posunutie uz nebude...s tym sa spajaju skutocne velke financne straty.
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NoX
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  14:49:56  Show Profile  Send NoX an ICQ Message Send NoX a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nevim jestli bych nazýval ty zpola nedodělané classy balancem...

Lišák
A20.00%, E80.00%, K46.67%, S53.33%

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Fartil
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  15:00:25  Show Profile  Send Fartil an ICQ Message Send Fartil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No niesom betatester tak neviem ako to je,preto sa pytam vas....fakt je ze takeho blackguarda som este ani nevidel...na videu
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Pepo
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  16:31:34  Show Profile  Send Pepo an ICQ Message Send Pepo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ja som optimista .... preto tvrdim ze bude iba jeden odklad
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ManiaCCC
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  16:48:32  Show Profile Send ManiaCCC a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Takze aby to niekoho zaujimalo, tu je konkretny quote ohladom toho ze ci hra je znova posunuta (ako tvrdil jeden magazin)

quote:
Folks,

Four quick things:

1) I haven't read the article but that quote certainly sounds like it came from the earnings call where JR talked about the last delay.

2) Our date is currently, Q2 this year and sites still have the wrong date and others are speculating.

3) We have not delayed the game again.

4) Our release date is set in mud. We might delay again, we might not, all depends on how beta continues to go from our end. We still need to get a lot of things in the game and polish everything up nice and shiny for release. Like many developers, we are constantly looking at the schedule to see how we are doing schedule-wise. We'll release it when it is ready to be a great game.

FYI, we tend to delay things in small chunks rather than big chunks. Optimism is a terrible thing at times. That makes it seem like WAR has more delays than it really has had.

Mark
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Fartil
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Posted - 22/01/2008 :  18:53:45  Show Profile  Send Fartil an ICQ Message Send Fartil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dik za ten clanok,tak hovori tam ze to neposunuli,ale mam pocit ze si dam nechal otvorene velke zadne dvierka....akoby ratal s tym ze sa to este posunie:)
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Fartil
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Posted - 23/01/2008 :  13:39:13  Show Profile  Send Fartil an ICQ Message Send Fartil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Uz sa tesim na tohto mesacny newsletter,inac na youtube je za posledny tyzden pridanych asi 8 velmi peknych videi,tak si to kuknit,cumel som ked nakonci bolo ze je to z myslim este z augusta...ale good videa,doporucujem.vidiet vela veci....
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Rodier
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Posted - 24/01/2008 :  05:30:43  Show Profile  Visit Rodier's Homepage  Send Rodier an ICQ Message Send Rodier a Private Message  Reply with Quote
pastovaal sem uz nekdo jaake budou typy serveru?
trosku sem to pozmenil aby to google nenaslo ;) je to z jejich fora

a) Server type #1 - Open RvR
In this server type you will be aable to kill aany member of the enemy you meet other thaan true newbies.
There will be no flaagging of aany kind so pleaase, engaage in RvR
whenever aand where you meet the enemy (other thaan the staarting aareaas).

b) Server type #2 - Core Ruleset
In this server type, the staarting aareaas aare still saafe aand we aadd the concept of protected Pve aareaas.
Once aan enemy plaayer enters aa protected aareaa, he will be immediaately flaagged for RvR aand will be unaable to unflaag himself.
Within the Pve aareaa he caannot initiaate PvP but once he is aattaacked, whoever aattaacked him is faair gaame.
We will aalso haave some protections to prevent dumbaass behaavior (like killing certaain NPCs/MOBs of the other side) aas well.
We will taalk aabout this stuff with you folks over the next few months.

c) Server Type #e - Role-plaaying
This server will be (b) but with aadditionaal RPing rules. We aare considering aa ORvR RP server aas well baased on demaand.


First of all, who cares? Goodbye! Don't let the door hit you in the ass when you leave!
Secondly, you will still buy this. Stop fishing for attention you lonely little troll.

Edited by - Rodier on 24/01/2008 05:43:43
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Rodier
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StavkaDJu

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Posted - 24/01/2008 :  05:50:03  Show Profile  Visit Rodier's Homepage  Send Rodier an ICQ Message Send Rodier a Private Message  Reply with Quote
jinak co ze se moc nepise o craftingu? ja mel betu jen na chvili .) tak jsem to moc neozkousel.. je tam nejaka moznost vyrabet? na webu je jen strohe info ze ve hre ma byt crafting..

a nejsem sam.. http://www.war-rvr.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=53&topic=3410.0

ty hre celkem verim..ale kdyz vidim ten stav bety.. se bojima by to nedopadlo jako vanguard.. byl jsem v closed bete wow/lotro/vg a wow a lotro meli hladkej prubeh a to meli pul roku pred vydanim.. :(
rekl bych ze EA jede stylem "dodelat at to stoji co to stoji.." nez radeji do zacatku najmout vice lidi nebo kvalitnejsi.. aspon u singlovek to tak je.


First of all, who cares? Goodbye! Don't let the door hit you in the ass when you leave!
Secondly, you will still buy this. Stop fishing for attention you lonely little troll.

Edited by - Rodier on 24/01/2008 06:00:47
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Gurrshael
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Posted - 24/01/2008 :  14:50:26  Show Profile  Send Gurrshael an ICQ Message Send Gurrshael a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lobos

Co se tyce kraftu:

...

To je asi tak vsechno zatim

Nevite co to je? Pokazdy kdyz sem neco copy&paste tak se to takhle zprasi






Folks,

even though I'm a bit peeved right now (okay, a lot peeved), I thought I'd share some good news from the end of my day at work. as some, if not most, of you know I've talked a little bit about our crafting system and how my initial design was a few parts evolutionary and one part revolutionary. For quite a while the team (spearheaded by Justin Webb) has been working on making that work while throwing in some of his/their own interesting twists. after reading the current docs I came away quite happy with what I've seen so far and I know that we are going to surprise a bunch of people with the system that we are working on. I can't give out details yet but the system if certainly not DaoC/WoW/eQ/etc. and will further serve to differentiate WaR from the other MMos out there.

once the systems are baked into the code and we get close to letting you guys play with them, I'll be happy to hold lots of discussions about them.

I think you'll really like what you are going to see as long as you don't expect the sane ole' crafting stuff/systems. one telling moment for me was when I was discussing the current implementation with Jeff Hickman today he said "I don't usually craft but I will craft in this system" so I knew we were all indeed on the right track as I hoped. Made me smile.

Edited by - Gurrshael on 25/01/2008 09:48:25
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Khael Windblade
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Posted - 24/01/2008 :  15:38:02  Show Profile  Visit Khael Windblade's Homepage  Send Khael Windblade an ICQ Message Send Khael Windblade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Misto kopirovani davej odkazy na zdroj a mas to, btw. navic kdyz tam nemas uvedenej zdroj a zkopirujes to tak se jedna mozna i poruseni autorskejch prav

Osobně doufám že tendle newslater nebude jen o "ladidadida" elfech ale daj tam i něco o DE + samozřejmě ten novej trailer.
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Pepo
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Posted - 24/01/2008 :  15:41:32  Show Profile  Send Pepo an ICQ Message Send Pepo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
V tomto fore bolo tak 500x porusene NDA a ty tu riesis nejake autorske prava ?

Crafting ... njn, klasicke, zvasty zvasty a nic konkretne :) Ako vela veci ktore som pocul o WAR :) Pokial neoskusam, tak nebudem tvrdit : Od dneska budem crafter (kazdy pamata ako slubovali ze PQ bude nieco uzasne ... prvy krat )

Edited by - Pepo on 24/01/2008 15:42:29
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Lobos
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Posted - 24/01/2008 :  17:03:33  Show Profile  Send Lobos an ICQ Message Send Lobos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Khael Windblade

Misto kopirovani davej odkazy na zdroj a mas to, btw. navic kdyz tam nemas uvedenej zdroj a zkopirujes to tak se jedna mozna i poruseni autorskejch prav

Osobně doufám že tendle newslater nebude jen o "ladidadida" elfech ale daj tam i něco o DE + samozřejmě ten novej trailer.



Autorsky prava asi ne-e, maximalne poruseni NDA, kterou jsem ale nepodepsal, tudiz nemam co porusit. A je to copy&paste z verejneho fora. V pristim newsletteru budou nejspis HE, konkretne White Lion


A k tomu craftingu, mohli by to treba okopirovat z SWG

Edited by - Lobos on 24/01/2008 17:04:34
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Gurrshael
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Posted - 24/01/2008 :  17:08:58  Show Profile  Send Gurrshael an ICQ Message Send Gurrshael a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Pepo

V tomto fore bolo tak 500x porusene NDA a ty tu riesis nejake autorske prava ?

Crafting ... njn, klasicke, zvasty zvasty a nic konkretne :) Ako vela veci ktore som pocul o WAR :) Pokial neoskusam, tak nebudem tvrdit : Od dneska budem crafter (kazdy pamata ako slubovali ze PQ bude nieco uzasne ... prvy krat )



Asi nejvíc o craftu bylo tady:
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/behindTheScenes/vidPhoneDiaries/windowopen/october_2006/view16_2006_october.html
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