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qsubt
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 Posted - 17/10/2005 : 19:37:37
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omlouvam se na novy topic, parkrat sem podobny dotaz poruznu napsal, odpovedi jsem se nedocka.
Rad bych pochopil "logiku WOW" proto se ptam...
Pr. nahodim na sebe nasledujici equip mimojine s temato vlastostma...
head: Equip: Increases damage done by Shadow spells and effects by up to 14.
wand: +14 Shadow Spell Damage
back: Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 12.
chest: Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 13.
staff: Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 21.
a ted, jak to facha? normalne se to scita? tj.
A) jeli zakladni DMG nejakeho kouzla X, tak s timto equipem bude X+14+14+12+13+21 ? pripadny critical by se navisil i s tech souctu nebo (DMG+crit?)+navyseni za equip?
B) pocita se i wanda i kdyz s ni zrovna nestrilim proste je jenom "postave"
C) damage done by Shadow spells a Increases damage and healing done by magical spells - odectu li healing efekt, jaky je rozdil mezi damage done by Shadow a increases damage by magical, shadow je podmnozinou magical?
D) jaky vliv ma slovo effect ?
E) funguje to navyseni i napr u Corupce nebo CoA - vim jde o smesne nizke cisla, ale jde mne o princip - o logiku WOW kerou doted moc nechapu
F) to naviseni DMG se pak jeste snizuje resistama nebo je fixni cislo?
G) nic dalsiho mne ted nenapada
pokud nekdo nejak rozumne odpovi, budu velmi poteseny. A to vam rikam zcela uprimne:)
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Mefisto
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Posted - 17/10/2005 : 21:09:19
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Originally posted by qsubt
omlouvam se na novy topic, parkrat sem podobny dotaz poruznu napsal, odpovedi jsem se nedocka.
Rad bych pochopil "logiku WOW" proto se ptam...
Pr. nahodim na sebe nasledujici equip mimojine s temato vlastostma...
head: Equip: Increases damage done by Shadow spells and effects by up to 14.
wand: +14 Shadow Spell Damage
back: Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 12.
chest: Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 13.
staff: Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 21.
a ted, jak to facha? normalne se to scita? tj.
A) jeli zakladni DMG nejakeho kouzla X, tak s timto equipem bude X+14+14+12+13+21 ? pripadny critical by se navisil i s tech souctu nebo (DMG+crit?)+navyseni za equip?
B) pocita se i wanda i kdyz s ni zrovna nestrilim proste je jenom "postave"
C) damage done by Shadow spells a Increases damage and healing done by magical spells - odectu li healing efekt, jaky je rozdil mezi damage done by Shadow a increases damage by magical, shadow je podmnozinou magical?
D) jaky vliv ma slovo effect ?
E) funguje to navyseni i napr u Corupce nebo CoA - vim jde o smesne nizke cisla, ale jde mne o princip - o logiku WOW kerou doted moc nechapu
F) to naviseni DMG se pak jeste snizuje resistama nebo je fixni cislo?
G) nic dalsiho mne ted nenapada
pokud nekdo nejak rozumne odpovi, budu velmi poteseny. A to vam rikam zcela uprimne:)
u dotu se to rozvrstvy do jednotlivejch tiku
a pak plnej bonus ma jen kouzlo castici se 3 sekundy
+ kouzla ktery maj vedlejsi efekt ( frostbolt - snare ) maj bonus mensi |
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Edited by - Mefisto on 17/10/2005 21:09:31 |
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DarkFace
Junior Member
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Posted - 18/10/2005 : 07:40:34
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Scitava:
a) dmg+equip+crit modifier
b} ano
c} shadow je len na shadow spelly, magical je na vsetky typy (fire+shadow pre locka)
d) effect su napr. aj procy: mas mace ktory ma chance on hit 90 shadow damage, tak to ovplyvnuje aj toto (len neviem akym pomerom)
e) doty maju full bonus pretoze trvaju dlhsie ako 3.5 sekundy, ale bonus je na totalny damage (aj ked to nie je az take zle, napr. default siphon life je nejakych 45/tick, mne dava 56).
f) ak mas velky rezist, tak ti rezistne cast damage, ak mas maly rezist, tak das vacsi damage.
+damage je flat bonus
up to funguje takto:
bonus/3.5*(casting time = max. je 3.5):
shadowbolt (3sec, talenty sa neberu v uvahu) 86 percent
instanty/1.5 sec spelly 43 percent.
kuzla co maju sekundarny efekt (frostbolt) nie su ovplyvnene CoE (WAI) |
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Edited by - DarkFace on 18/10/2005 07:41:52 |
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Khostri
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Posted - 18/10/2005 : 12:33:24
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Originally posted by DarkFace
d) effect su napr. aj procy: mas mace ktory ma chance on hit 90 shadow damage, tak to ovplyvnuje aj toto (len neviem akym pomerom)
Na wandu to nefunguje jak jsem byl upozorněn a následně si to vyzkoušel. I když budu mít shadow wandu, a kouzla +15 shadow damage, tak wandou to bude furt stejně. |
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Cotouch
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Posted - 18/10/2005 : 13:05:52
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Originally posted by Khostri
quote:
Originally posted by DarkFace
d) effect su napr. aj procy: mas mace ktory ma chance on hit 90 shadow damage, tak to ovplyvnuje aj toto (len neviem akym pomerom)
Na wandu to nefunguje jak jsem byl upozorněn a následně si to vyzkoušel. I když budu mít shadow wandu, a kouzla +15 shadow damage, tak wandou to bude furt stejně.
oni imo spíš mluví o tom, když je bonus na wandě a používají kouzlo, např. wanda co dává +15 shadow dmg on equip bude dávat při castění shadow kouzel bonus |
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DarkFace
Junior Member
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Posted - 18/10/2005 : 13:29:57
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Eee hovorim o "proce" (bah to je ale sklonovanie).
Na shadow/fire/frost wandu funguje vuln. bonus, ale iba ak:
mas tam CoS/CoE a wanda pouziva dany typ damage, na ktory je mob zranitelny.
Funguje iba na warlockove cursy, na priestove debuffy nie (ani na vampiric).
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"I must not Fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is little death that brings total obliteration. I will let it pass through me and over me. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. " |
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qsubt
Junior Member
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Posted - 18/10/2005 : 19:15:06
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| dik za reakce, uz mne je to docista jasne. buh vam to vrati na detech:) |
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JerzeeG
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Posted - 18/10/2005 : 19:19:54
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quote:
Originally posted by qsubt
dik za reakce, uz mne je to docista jasne. buh vam to vrati na detech:)
ale na kvantite, nikoli na kvalite..
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Originally posted by DarkFace
Eee hovorim o "proce" (bah to je ale sklonovanie).
Na shadow/fire/frost wandu funguje vuln. bonus, ale iba ak:
mas tam CoS/CoE a wanda pouziva dany typ damage, na ktory je mob zranitelny.
Funguje iba na warlockove cursy, na priestove debuffy nie (ani na vampiric).
prosimvas, mluvte cesky, nebo slovensky.. 
co je "proce", nebo asi teda "proca" ?
co je to za zkratky CoS/CoE ?
ve vetsine zkratek se uz zacinam orientovat, ale tohle si nemuzu vybavit.. |
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Rodier
Moderator
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Posted - 18/10/2005 : 23:22:18
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taky se zeptam..
jako paladin mam seal kterej ma ze se holy dmg zvedne up to 50
no potom teda zacnu mlatit kladivem se sealem ktery ma chance to holy dmg treba 14 .. no a diky tomu "up to 50" se to zvedne na 24 .. o 10 bodu.. jak se to teda pocita?
a taky - "co proste kouzlit jako paladin kolem levelu 30" zvlast pvm a pvp . na co nejvetsi dmg? ja do ted pouzival seal na faster hit +40% ale vim ze ted (mam 28L) dostavam seal kterej zvedne o hodne to holy damage.. a tak nevim pouzivat faster hit.. nebo jit do toho holy dmg? jedu polearm pripadne 2h |
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Stilgar
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Posted - 18/10/2005 : 23:47:07
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quote:
Originally posted by JerzeeG
quote:
Originally posted by qsubt
dik za reakce, uz mne je to docista jasne. buh vam to vrati na detech:)
ale na kvantite, nikoli na kvalite..
quote:
Originally posted by DarkFace
Eee hovorim o "proce" (bah to je ale sklonovanie).
Na shadow/fire/frost wandu funguje vuln. bonus, ale iba ak:
mas tam CoS/CoE a wanda pouziva dany typ damage, na ktory je mob zranitelny.
Funguje iba na warlockove cursy, na priestove debuffy nie (ani na vampiric).
prosimvas, mluvte cesky, nebo slovensky..
co je "proce", nebo asi teda "proca" ?
co je to za zkratky CoS/CoE ?
ve vetsine zkratek se uz zacinam orientovat, ale tohle si nemuzu vybavit..
Proc = (a ted nevim jestli me nekdo nebude kamenovat ze rikam nepresnosti) "Chance on hit" / "Chance on spell" / ...
eg. Fiery Weapon enchant je proc, Seal of Command je proc, Chance on hit: Wounda target for xxx (na zbrani) je proc ...
CoE / CoS = Curse of Elements / Shadows |
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Stilgar
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Posted - 18/10/2005 : 23:50:00
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Originally posted by Rodier
taky se zeptam..
jako paladin mam seal kterej ma ze se holy dmg zvedne up to 50
no potom teda zacnu mlatit kladivem se sealem ktery ma chance to holy dmg treba 14 .. no a diky tomu "up to 50" se to zvedne na 24 .. o 10 bodu.. jak se to teda pocita?
a taky - "co proste kouzlit jako paladin kolem levelu 30" zvlast pvm a pvp . na co nejvetsi dmg? ja do ted pouzival seal na faster hit +40% ale vim ze ted (mam 28L) dostavam seal kterej zvedne o hodne to holy damage.. a tak nevim pouzivat faster hit.. nebo jit do toho holy dmg? jedu polearm pripadne 2h
asi toho budu litovat ale ...
jedes li 2H (predevsim pomale 2H) pak na grind jednoznacne nejlepci (a imo i na PvP diky burst dmg potencialu) je Seal of COmmand (11 pt Retributtion talent)
= proc na hit rovny dmg tve zbrane (ale holy, takze ignoruje armor)
jedes li one hand shield pak asi Seal of Crusader > Judgement > Seal of Right...
= proc na addition holy dmg (ale flat dmg) z SoR zvednutej JoCr (pripadne jeste Sanctify aurou etc)
(+ casem redoubt, HOly shield, Shield Spike ..) |
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Edited by - Stilgar on 18/10/2005 23:50:51 |
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celdric
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Posted - 19/10/2005 : 08:27:20
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Originally posted by Stilgar
asi toho budu litovat ale ...
jedes li 2H (predevsim pomale 2H) pak na grind jednoznacne nejlepci (a imo i na PvP diky burst dmg potencialu) je Seal of COmmand (11 pt Retributtion talent)
= proc na hit rovny dmg tve zbrane (ale holy, takze ignoruje armor)
jedes li one hand shield pak asi Seal of Crusader > Judgement > Seal of Right...
= proc na addition holy dmg (ale flat dmg) z SoR zvednutej JoCr (pripadne jeste Sanctify aurou etc)
(+ casem redoubt, HOly shield, Shield Spike ..)
muzu se zeptat na neco? proc po judgement seal of crusader neni SoC ale seal of righteousnous (nebo jak se to krucinal pise)...
crusader dela prece holy dmg a judgement zveda holy dmg... nebo se to na proc SoC nevztahuje? |
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Stilgar
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Posted - 19/10/2005 : 11:39:36
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no SoR dela holy dmg, jo ... a protoze s rostoucim rankem SoR se ten zaklad holy dmg kerej dela zveda tak pouzivas maxrank SoR a ten dostava z JoCr slusnej bonus
SoC taky dela holy dmg, takze v podstate mas pravdu, jenze problem je v tom ze vetsina lidi (logicky) jede rank1 SoC, protoze s benediction stoji 47 many ... maxrank SoC stoji ~160 a rozdil mezi nima je jen v Judgement casti (JoCOmmand dava naky slaby holy dmg kdyz tärget toho Judgu stunnes) ... a protoze JoCommand asi nikdo nepouziva tak je zbytecny pouzivat jinej nez rank1 SoC ...
no a prave v tom je problem se SoC a JoCr.... protoze SoC r1 je lowlvl spell tak (z nejakyho duvodu ... ) ten bonus co dostane na holy dmg z JoCr je zcela mizivej ... (ja nevim treba 10 z maxranku JoCr kterej je + holy dmg up to 140) .. coz se samozrejme vubec nevyplati na manu
kdybys jel max rankSoC tak z toho JoCr dostanes bonus vetsi ("melo by to byt" neco kolem tech 60, ale v praxi se me to zdalo min)
no a nekdo zase tvrdi ze je to proto ze SoC je fyzickej utok (sice holy dmg ale muze dodge / parry /miss etc) a proto se na nej + holy dmg from spells and effects" nevztahuje (a nekdo tvrdi ze na nej nefunguje ani sanctify aura .. coz se me nezda) |
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Edited by - Stilgar on 19/10/2005 11:52:43 |
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Pepo
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Posted - 19/10/2005 : 14:37:53
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Ja mam tiez taky dotaz, aky efekt ma :
+XX Healing spells ???
Je to to iste ako + healing done ? |
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Rodier
Moderator
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Posted - 19/10/2005 : 18:27:41
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Originally posted by Stilgar
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Originally posted by Rodier
taky se zeptam..
jako paladin mam seal kterej ma ze se holy dmg zvedne up to 50
no potom teda zacnu mlatit kladivem se sealem ktery ma chance to holy dmg treba 14 .. no a diky tomu "up to 50" se to zvedne na 24 .. o 10 bodu.. jak se to teda pocita?
a taky - "co proste kouzlit jako paladin kolem levelu 30" zvlast pvm a pvp . na co nejvetsi dmg? ja do ted pouzival seal na faster hit +40% ale vim ze ted (mam 28L) dostavam seal kterej zvedne o hodne to holy damage.. a tak nevim pouzivat faster hit.. nebo jit do toho holy dmg? jedu polearm pripadne 2h
asi toho budu litovat ale ...
jedes li 2H (predevsim pomale 2H) pak na grind jednoznacne nejlepci (a imo i na PvP diky burst dmg potencialu) je Seal of COmmand (11 pt Retributtion talent)
= proc na hit rovny dmg tve zbrane (ale holy, takze ignoruje armor)
jedes li one hand shield pak asi Seal of Crusader > Judgement > Seal of Right...
= proc na addition holy dmg (ale flat dmg) z SoR zvednutej JoCr (pripadne jeste Sanctify aurou etc)
(+ casem redoubt, HOly shield, Shield Spike ..)
diky ;-) |
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Sacrifice
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Posted - 23/10/2005 : 08:37:24
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Originally posted by Pepo
Ja mam tiez taky dotaz, aky efekt ma :
+XX Healing spells ???
Je to to iste ako + healing done ?
/bump
jak to je . ja jedu hlavne FH /heal, gheal za 4s resp. 3.5s je nic moc pre mna teda/ a na FH aj ked mam 300+ up to heal tak som nezakastil viac ako 1200. a pritom som dost stratil na statoch
jako na heale je to poznat pekne 1.6k ale to trrrrvaaaa |
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Edited by - Sacrifice on 23/10/2005 08:43:43 |
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Pepo
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Posted - 23/10/2005 : 10:24:26
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| To je pekne ale co to vlastne znamena ??? |
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Sacrifice
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Posted - 23/10/2005 : 12:54:08
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Originally posted by Pepo
To je pekne ale co to vlastne znamena ???
hm myslim ze som zabudol dat jeden otaznik ;]]
ja sa to tiez pytam AKO TO JE stym ???????????
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