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Aragorn
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1001 Posts |
 Posted - 12/07/2005 : 16:18:25
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Originally posted by Marcus
Da se udelat celkem dobrej build i s PoM akorat to bude bez barrier a frostbite no, je to fakt skvelej mana effective build - hodne critujes za malo many.
hodne critujes bez frostbite? to bych chtel videt, u me dela polovinu critu prave frostbite ;) frost channeling je imo na prd na pvp, mana neni problem a tech 6% dmg z piercing ice se taky da lehce nahradit +dmg itemama
muj build:
Arcane Talents (18 points)
Improved Arcane Missiles - 5/5 points
Arcane Concentration - 5/5 points
Evocation - 1/1 point
Improved Arcane Explosion - 5/5 points
Improved Counterspell - 2/2 points
Frost Talents (33 points)
Improved Frostbolt - 5/5 points
Winter's Chill - 3/3 points
Improved Frost Nova - 2/2 points
Ice Shards - 5/5 points
Cold Snap - 1/1 point
Arctic Reach - 2/2 points
Shatter - 5/5 points
Improved Cone of Cold - 3/3 points
Ice Block - 1/1 point
Frostbite - 5/5 points
Ice Barrier - 1/1 point
sem s nim spokojenej, PoM mi nikdy nechybel ;)
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Marcus
Starting Member
13 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2005 : 16:31:17
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| Mno jiste to je taky dobrej build .. bez frostbite je problem hlavne ten ze target musi byt v te frost nove aby se triggernul Shatter. |
Husar, NE warrior, DT |
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Rodier
Moderator
4328 Posts |
Posted - 13/07/2005 : 12:44:03
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| no a jak teda s frostem/arcane pujdes na ranged char, kde frost vyhoda dost opadava? |
First of all, who cares? Goodbye! Don't let the door hit you in the ass when you leave!
Secondly, you will still buy this. Stop fishing for attention you lonely little troll.
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Tharn
New Member
190 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2005 : 15:20:26
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Mám 33/18 s Imp. Blizzard, CoC, Arctic Reach, samozřejmě Frostbite a v Arcane až po Imp. CS. Uvažuju o 30/21 s PoM, ale zatím ještě respecovat nebudu.
Co se ranged charů týče ...
vs Priest, Druid a Shaman máš stejně nulovou šanci na výhru (dobrá, Arcane/Fire má 10%, když dvakrát critne v openeru Sheep-Fireball-PoM Pyro-Fireblast, což je ale prakticky totéž), protože tě jednoduše uléčí. Takže zbývá Hunter a Warlock. Co říct ... Ano, asi je to horší, ale:
- kombinace FN-Frostbolt-CoC-Fireblast dá 2K damage a dá se okamžitě zopakovat s Cold Snap
- Ice Block ruší všechny neblahé efekty, takže srandy typu Scatter Shot se dají snadno zrušit a warlock musí kouzlit DoTy znovu
- lidi mají obecně víc fire než frost resistů |
Edited by - Tharn on 19/07/2005 15:22:38 |
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beldor5
Average Member
1144 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2005 : 16:27:49
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Originally posted by Tharn
Mám 33/18 s Imp. Blizzard, CoC, Arctic Reach, samozřejmě Frostbite a v Arcane až po Imp. CS. Uvažuju o 30/21 s PoM, ale zatím ještě respecovat nebudu.
Co se ranged charů týče ...
vs Priest, Druid a Shaman máš stejně nulovou šanci na výhru (dobrá, Arcane/Fire má 10%, když dvakrát critne v openeru Sheep-Fireball-PoM Pyro-Fireblast, což je ale prakticky totéž), protože tě jednoduše uléčí. Takže zbývá Hunter a Warlock. Co říct ... Ano, asi je to horší, ale:
- kombinace FN-Frostbolt-CoC-Fireblast dá 2K damage a dá se okamžitě zopakovat s Cold Snap
- Ice Block ruší všechny neblahé efekty, takže srandy typu Scatter Shot se dají snadno zrušit a warlock musí kouzlit DoTy znovu
- lidi mají obecně víc fire než frost resistů
s lidmi tohodle typu bojuju nejradsi :) predem si mysli ze prohrali tak to neda moc prace
btw:pokud si myslis ze arcane/fire mag neda kombem druida tak ses fakt marnej :))) |
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L_A_K_Y
Starting Member
4 Posts |
Posted - 29/07/2005 : 15:28:35
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| Co myslite, co je lepsi na PvP frost nebo fire zatim jedu frost protoze na PvE to bylo super ale ted zacinam u uvazovat o fire |
Laky Undead/Mage 50lvl |
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Prandur
New Member
237 Posts |
Posted - 31/07/2005 : 05:40:13
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osobne mam 31 arcane / 20 fire build, a nedam na nej dopustit ...
Prece jen, 2.4k pyroblast crit jeste s 960/4sec ignite a 276 / 12sec pyroDOT, to uz ne kazdy prezije :)
Frost mag je imo hodne dobrej na support, zatimco arc/fire mag se spis hodi na overnuking. Co si myslim ze je v soucasnosti hodne slaby, je fire mag s combustion ... protoze tim ztraci PoM.
P.S. jak jste se jeste bavili o tech pvp duelech ... problemy jsou jenom s dobre vybavenym druidem, shamanem (oba se musi lecit tak aby vzdycky meli nad 60% hp) a shadowpriestem (nez skonci silence mam 40%hp). |
Prandur,
Guild Master of Black Division [Drak'Thul EU]
http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drak'thul&n=Prandur |
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Seth
Senior Member
2564 Posts |
Posted - 31/07/2005 : 18:00:37
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mam taky arc/fire build ale uvazuju o respecu, kvuli fire casti buildu
impact se jevi jako nezbytnost do 1 vs 1 pvp, potom mi ale bohuzel nevyjdou body na flamestrike, ktery v AV taky neni k zahozeni (i kdyz DD se nevyrovna nic)
mno a nebo rovnou prejit na 33ice/18arc build, pro ktery sice zatim nemam veci, ale to by taky nemuselo byt spatne do party, resp AV, ci WSG. Bohuzel mi asi bude chybet PoM....stale vaham |
Seth
Forgotten
bo=protoze!
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Seth
Senior Member
2564 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 08:05:19
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me dilema se vyresilo
vzhledem k tomu, ze davam lidem fireballem za 500 a scorchem za 80 musim respecnout do ice, bohuzel
narust fire rezistu oponentu je vice nez znatelny |
Seth
Forgotten
bo=protoze!
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Gabriel
Moderator
2156 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 09:27:09
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Originally posted by Seth
me dilema se vyresilo
vzhledem k tomu, ze davam lidem fireballem za 500 a scorchem za 80 musim respecnout do ice, bohuzel
narust fire rezistu oponentu je vice nez znatelny
Já jsem měl Arcane/Fire a už jsem Frost/Arcane. Prostě to dál nešlo. |
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Nisha
Starting Member
99 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2005 : 13:09:25
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Originally posted by beldor5
quote:
Originally posted by Tharn
Mám 33/18 s Imp. Blizzard, CoC, Arctic Reach, samozřejmě Frostbite a v Arcane až po Imp. CS. Uvažuju o 30/21 s PoM, ale zatím ještě respecovat nebudu.
Co se ranged charů týče ...
vs Priest, Druid a Shaman máš stejně nulovou šanci na výhru (dobrá, Arcane/Fire má 10%, když dvakrát critne v openeru Sheep-Fireball-PoM Pyro-Fireblast, což je ale prakticky totéž), protože tě jednoduše uléčí. Takže zbývá Hunter a Warlock. Co říct ... Ano, asi je to horší, ale:
- kombinace FN-Frostbolt-CoC-Fireblast dá 2K damage a dá se okamžitě zopakovat s Cold Snap
- Ice Block ruší všechny neblahé efekty, takže srandy typu Scatter Shot se dají snadno zrušit a warlock musí kouzlit DoTy znovu
- lidi mají obecně víc fire než frost resistů
s lidmi tohodle typu bojuju nejradsi :) predem si mysli ze prohrali tak to neda moc prace
btw:pokud si myslis ze arcane/fire mag neda kombem druida tak ses fakt marnej :)))
Heh, vidim že tu máte všichni rozdílné názory, ale dokázali by jste se sjednotit v téhle otázce? - Seřadit Classy postupně od nejsilnějšího k nejslabšímu v boji PvP jeden na jednoho? |
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Little
Moderator
2901 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2005 : 13:20:15
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Originally posted by Nisha
Heh, vidim že tu máte všichni rozdílné názory, ale dokázali by jste se sjednotit v téhle otázce? - Seřadit Classy postupně od nejsilnějšího k nejslabšímu v boji PvP jeden na jednoho?
Jestli to hrajes trosku dyl tak urcite vis ze na tohle se neda nijak odpovedet. Kazda class ma nejakou kterou celkem slusne pojede a naopak zase nejakou ktera pwnuje jeho. A take zalezi na skillu hrace. Zkratka neni nej class v PvP 1vs1.
Mozna bych to videl na shadow priesta a pak asi rogue (ale proti warum nic moc) |
"End of hope, end of love, end of time. The rest is silence."
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Seth
Senior Member
2564 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2005 : 14:18:32
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| shadow priest je nejvetsi ruler do pvp |
Seth
Forgotten
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MegaDeath
Average Member
1989 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2005 : 14:53:32
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| u me je #1 warlock s neviditelnou sukubou, pokud nejste undead (no dobre, to je tu 90% osazenstva) nebo nemate pvp trinket proti charmu (to maj treba rogues), tak vase sance na preziti se limitne blizi nule |
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Mucus
Starting Member
69 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2005 : 20:02:46
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| Jak rekl Little vyse, neni ultimatni ruler do PvP, na druhou stranu ale existuje neco, cemu ja rikam "ruler gear". Tyka se to predevsim critical strikes, Mag je schopen behem 3 sekund [mam namysli mag vs. ovecka] udelat 3600dmg, to v tom pripade, ze da 3x za sebou crit (Fireball +Pom Pyro+ Blast). 3600dmg odpovida 3 sekundove vyhre. Na druhou stranu crit gear ma sve velke nevyhody, sance ze se tohle povede je nizka, neni snadne sehnat gear s 20% sanci na critical strike, navic critical strike je vzdy na ukor jinych abilit [a taky mnoha gecek], priklad by byl +10% critical strike = -1200 mana. Mne osobne se nikdy 3x critical po sobe nepovedl mam s fire talenty a vecmi asi 12% sanci. 2x za sebou crit davam ale docela casto a nedavno i v duelu, kdy Fireball a Fireblast dal 2200damage a to otrese s kdejakym shamounem !! |
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Seth
Senior Member
2564 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2005 : 20:33:29
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jak jsem psal vyse
pockej az tvuj FB, PoM pyro, blast sice critne, ale dmg to da misto 1500 za 800 -> vysledna dmg nebude 3600 ale jen 1500...to potom good luck |
Seth
Forgotten
bo=protoze!
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Mucus
Starting Member
69 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2005 : 21:39:56
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| No samozrejme, jeste kdyz smazis nekoho s vysokym fire ressitem, nebo fire ressistance potionem, tak ses nahrany, nebo dokonce, coz uz se mi taky stalo, nedas crit, ale ressist 2x za sebou a vysledny damage je 0, pak jedina sance na vyrhu je, ze souperi praskne smichem branice, tohle je ale riziko povolani. Jinak nebyl bych vubec proti, kdyby magum trochu zkratili ty cooldowny, prece jen 3 min na PoM je moc, 1 minuta by byla prijatelna 30 sec spravna, zacit a skoncit duel PoM by hodne pomohlo, prave proti zminovanym ressistum. 10 minut na Evocation je navic uplny nesmysl !! |
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Seth
Senior Member
2564 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2005 : 21:44:24
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s cooldownama jsem nikdy nemel problemy
vic mi vadi AV bug pri kterem se neda chlastat
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uz jsem si na to tak zvyknul, ze i v dungu checkuju jestli jsem nahodou nevstal |
Seth
Forgotten
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Rixi
Starting Member
48 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2005 : 17:19:10
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| som frost mage a mam 3 body vo Winters Chill, tento talent by mal znizit rychlost pohybu nasledkom chill este o dalsich 10%. Problem je v tom ze ked dam kurzor nad hotkey frostboltu tak vidim ze tych 10% tam zakalkulovanych je a pise ze znizuje rychlost ciela na 50%, ale ked frostbolt do niekoho zacastim tak pod zalozkou targetu v debuffoch ukazuje za target je spomaleny na 60% povodnej rychlosti (co je vlastne efekt normalneho frostboltu bez Winters Chill talentu). Nevie niekto jak to teda je? Ci je target spomaleni na 50% a v debuffoch to len zle vypisuje, alebo je spomaleni len na 60% a teda talen Winters Chill nefunguje... |
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Seth
Senior Member
2564 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2005 : 17:23:31
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| chill funguje, ale jako u ostatnich debuffu je problem se zobrazenim na nepriteli - zobrazi se ale jen standardni ucinek i kdyz ma clovek talent |
Seth
Forgotten
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Rill
Starting Member
30 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2005 : 16:46:07
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| Muzu se zeptat proc magove sheepuji 2 x po sobe v kratke dobe ?? Mozna uz to tu bylo, ale nemuzu to najit ?? neni to ztrata many 2 x sheep na jednoho cloveka v kratkem casovem useku ?? |
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HollyG
Starting Member
23 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2005 : 18:08:35
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| Predpokladaji ze pouzijes grunt trinket hned... |
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Mefisto
Junior Member
767 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2005 : 18:50:38
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quote:
Originally posted by HollyG
Predpokladaji ze pouzijes grunt trinket hned...
tak jako tak jako chytry clovek pockas az nahodej arcane power nebo az zacnou kastit :P |
"The time for desperation is upon us. Let's play." |
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moonwraiths
Starting Member
30 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2005 : 21:34:14
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mam několik dotazů
je dobrý arcan power?
měl bych dávat talenty nejdřív do arcan a mít co nejdřív imp. AE? |
MoonWraith-human-warrior/Shadow Moon |
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moonwraiths
Starting Member
30 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2005 : 16:53:34
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joa co by jste řekli tomuhle?
Arcane Talents (20 points)
# Improved Arcane Missiles - 5/5 points
Gives you a 100% chance to avoid interruption caused by damage while channeling Arcane Missiles.
# Arcane Subtlety - 2/3 points
Reduces the threat generated by your offensive arcane spells by 30%.
# Arcane Concentration - 5/5 points
Gives you a 10% chance of entering a Clearcasting state after any damage spell hits a target. The Clearcasting state reduces the mana cost of your next damage spell by 100%.
# Improved Arcane Explosion - 5/5 points
Reduces the casting time of your Arcane Explosion by 1.5 seconds.
# Evocation - 1/1 point
While channeling this spell, your mana regeneration is active and increased by 1500%. Lasts 8 seconds.
# Improved Counterspell - 2/2 points
Gives your Counterspell a 100% chance to silence the target for 4 seconds.
Frost Talents (31 points)
# Improved Frostbolt - 5/5 points
Reduces the casting time of your Frostbolt spell by 0.5 seconds.
# Permafrost - 1/5 point
Increases the duration of your chill effects by 1 second.
# Ice Shards - 5/5 points
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Frost spells by 100%.
# Winter's Chill - 3/3 points
Increases the power of your chill effects by slowing the target's movement by an additional 10%.
# Cold Snap - 1/1 point
When activated, this spell finishes the cooldown on all of your frost spells.
# Improved Blizzard - 3/3 points
Adds a chill effect to your Blizzard spell. This effect lowers the target's movement speed to 35% of normal. Lasts 1.50 seconds.
# Piercing Ice - 3/3 points
Increases the damage done by your frost spells by 6%.
# Frost Channeling - 3/3 points
Reduces the mana cost of your frost spells by 15%.
# Ice Block - 1/1 point
You become encased in a block of ice, protecting you from all physical attacks and spells for 10 seconds, but during that time you cannot attack, move, or cast spells.
# Frostbite - 5/5 points
Gives your chill effects a 15% chance to freeze the target for 5 seconds.
# Ice Barrier - 1/1 point
Instantly shields you, absorbing 455 damage. Lasts 1 minute. While the shield holds, spells will not be interrupted.
Level 40: 549 damage absorbed
Level 52: 678 damage absorbed
Level 58: 818 damage absorbed
Fire Talents (0 points)
# None
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Seth
Senior Member
2564 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2005 : 21:28:53
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PoM je lepsi nez Ice barrier
urcite jdi do 30/21 pokud chces mit tolik bodu v Arcane |
Seth
Forgotten
bo=protoze!
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Tar
Starting Member
9 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2005 : 15:57:10
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| Arcane Subtlety sou vyhozeny body. |
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Tragedy
Moderator
2637 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2005 : 16:37:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Seth
PoM je lepsi nez Ice barrier
urcite jdi do 30/21 pokud chces mit tolik bodu v Arcane
Nerekl bych... samozrejme zalezi na stylu hry, ale PoM je napriklad uplne k prdu v PvE. A na group PvP a do instanci je urcite lepsi Ice Barier. Ve spojeni s Cold Snap to jsou skoro 2000hp, coz je k nezaplaceni. |
Tragedy
"Killing is my business...
...and business is good!" |
Edited by - Tragedy on 21/09/2005 16:38:20 |
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moonwraiths
Starting Member
30 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2005 : 17:56:10
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| to jako jo, PoM je dobrej, si myslim, ale přeci jen ice barier ti spis zachrani pak zivot ne? |
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Mefisto
Junior Member
767 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2005 : 18:12:36
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Originally posted by moonwraiths
to jako jo, PoM je dobrej, si myslim, ale přeci jen ice barier ti spis zachrani pak zivot ne?
pom = maguv burst dmg, imo must have pro pvp, ice block + cold snap jsou pro maga taky ultimat ... ice barrier neni ani jedno z toho |
"The time for desperation is upon us. Let's play." |
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qsubt
Junior Member
601 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2005 : 19:30:03
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quote:
Originally posted by moonwraiths
joa co by jste řekli tomuhle?
Frost Talents (31 points)
# Improved Frostbolt - 5/5 points
Reduces the casting time of your Frostbolt spell by 0.5 seconds.
# Permafrost - 1/5 point
Increases the duration of your chill effects by 1 second.
# Ice Shards - 5/5 points
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Frost spells by 100%.
# Winter's Chill - 3/3 points
Increases the power of your chill effects by slowing the target's movement by an additional 10%.
# Cold Snap - 1/1 point
When activated, this spell finishes the cooldown on all of your frost spells.
# Improved Blizzard - 3/3 points
Adds a chill effect to your Blizzard spell. This effect lowers the target's movement speed to 35% of normal. Lasts 1.50 seconds.
# Piercing Ice - 3/3 points
Increases the damage done by your frost spells by 6%.
# Frost Channeling - 3/3 points
Reduces the mana cost of your frost spells by 15%.
# Ice Block - 1/1 point
You become encased in a block of ice, protecting you from all physical attacks and spells for 10 seconds, but during that time you cannot attack, move, or cast spells.
# Frostbite - 5/5 points
Gives your chill effects a 15% chance to freeze the target for 5 seconds.
# Ice Barrier - 1/1 point
Instantly shields you, absorbing 455 damage. Lasts 1 minute. While the shield holds, spells will not be interrupted.
Level 40: 549 damage absorbed
Level 52: 678 damage absorbed
Level 58: 818 damage absorbed
Fire Talents (0 points)
# None
no ja se ti vyjadrim ciste k frost casti - muj nazor, i kdyz maga uz nehraju:)
-podle mne zcela zapomels na jeden z nejlepsich talentu.. a to IMPROVED FROST NOVA, 4s do COOLDOWNU sou sakra znat
-dat 6 bodu do prvni urovne je zbytecne, podle mne na IMPR FROSTBOLT staci ty 4 body a 1 do toho PERMAFROSTU kdyz za jeden je 1s a za kazdy dalsi 0.5s tak se asi ten 1 bod vyplati nebo co
-PIERCING ICE 3 body za dalsich 6%, mozna pekne ale podle mne se da lip vyuzit
-SHATTER podle mne rozhodne 5/5
-FROST CHANNELING 3/3, no tych 15% sleva na ice kouzla uz je docela znat, no nevim
jako zdravy zaklad bych volil toto:
Frost Talents (21 points)
# Improved Frostbolt - 4/5 points
Reduces the casting time of your Frostbolt spell by 0.4 seconds.
# Permafrost - 1/5 point
Increases the duration of your chill effects by 1 second.
# Ice Shards - 5/5 points
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Frost spells by 100%.
# Improved Frost Nova - 2/2 points
Reduces the cooldown of your Frost Nova spell by 4 seconds.
# Cold Snap - 1/1 point
When activated, this spell finishes the cooldown on all of your frost spells.
# Improved Blizzard - 2/3 points
Adds a chill effect to your Blizzard spell. This effect lowers the target's movement speed to 50% of normal. Lasts 1.50 seconds.
# Shatter - 5/5 points
Increases the critical strike chance of your frost spells against frozen targets by 50%.
# Ice Block - 1/1 point
You become encased in a block of ice, protecting you from all physical attacks and spells for 10 seconds, but during that time you cannot attack, move, or cast spells.
mas tam ve vzduchu jeste 4 body (Arktic Reach?, Improved CoC?, Frost Channeling? - to ja nevim co dat), pak 5xFROSTBITE a ta ICE BARIER pokud chces
a nebo vic co? tot ciste muj nazor ale na mne moc nehled, maga sem opustil i se shadowmoonem nekde u levelu 36 myslim:))) |
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moonwraiths
Starting Member
30 Posts |
Posted - 26/09/2005 : 15:35:22
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| mam ještě jeden dotaz, jaký jsou výhody a nevýhody frost a fire |
MoonWraith-human-warrior/Shadow Moon |
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Seth
Senior Member
2564 Posts |
Posted - 27/09/2005 : 00:20:18
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quote:
Originally posted by moonwraiths
mam ještě jeden dotaz, jaký jsou výhody a nevýhody frost a fire
procti si celej topik a dostanes mnohem lepsi odpoved nez bych tady dokazal shrnout do par vet |
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Forgotten
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Eagle
Average Member
2225 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2005 : 13:10:10
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co rikate na tyhle talnety nektery jsou mozna na nic zla zatim sem je nemel moc moznost vyzkouset ... treba s tim uz mate nejaky zkusenosti zkuste rict co je na nic a co mi tam naopak chybi dik ... jde hlavne asi o PvE maga
dik moc
Arcane Talents (15 points)
Improved Arcane Missiles - 5/5 points
Arcane Concentration - 5/5 points
Improved Arcane Explosion - 5/5 points
Frost Talents (36 points)
Permafrost - 5/5 points
Improved Frost Nova - 2/2 points
Ice Shards - 5/5 points
Winter's Chill - 3/3 points
Cold Snap - 1/1 point
Improved Blizzard - 3/3 points
Shatter - 5/5 points
Arctic Reach - 2/2 points
Improved Cone of Cold - 3/3 points
Ice Block - 1/1 point
Frostbite - 5/5 points
Ice Barrier - 1/1 point
Fire Talents (0 points)
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Edited by - Eagle on 09/12/2005 17:31:10 |
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JerzeeG
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Posted - 09/12/2005 : 16:19:02
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Originally posted by Eagle
rekl bych velmi pouzitelne, zvazuju, ze na to respecnu z meho:
Arcane Talents - 21 points
Improved Arcane Missiles rank 5/5
Arcane Concentration rank 5/5
Improved Arcane Explosion rank 5/5
Evocation rank 1/1
Improved Mana Shield rank 2/2
Improved Counterspell rank 2/2
Presence of Mind rank 1/1
Frost Talents - 30 points
Improved Frostbolt rank 5/5
Ice Shards rank 5/5
Improved Frost Nova rank 2/2
Piercing Ice rank 2/3
Cold Snap rank 1/1
Arctic Reach rank 2/2
Shatter rank 5/5
Ice Block rank 1/1
Improved Cone of Cold rank 2/3
Frostbite rank 5/5
ale 5 bodu do permafrostu je celkem dost, mozna by stacil 1 pro 1 sec. a winter's chill bych asi nebral vubec.. improved blizzard bych asi taky nebral..
u te arcane je celkem uzitecna evocation a taky lepsi counterspell na silence
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aha, ted jsem si vsiml zes psal PvE mag - tak tam se to evocation hodi jeste vice imho, ale ten PoM ani counterspell nebude nutny.. |
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Edited by - JerzeeG on 09/12/2005 16:21:16 |
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Eagle
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Posted - 09/12/2005 : 17:34:22
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| me zase prijde slaby treba Improved Frostbolt rank 5/5 to je 0.5s ... to je to tak znat? to me prijde prave lepsi 3s zmrzlej cil ... teda na PvE ... na PvP nevim |
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JerzeeG
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Posted - 11/12/2005 : 14:16:25
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quote:
Originally posted by Eagle
me zase prijde slaby treba Improved Frostbolt rank 5/5 to je 0.5s ... to je to tak znat? to me prijde prave lepsi 3s zmrzlej cil ... teda na PvE ... na PvP nevim
rekl bych, ze jo.. ale i tak je 2.5s neuveritelne nekonecna doba.. na to, ze to je magovo jedine pouzitelne kouzlo na delsi boj.. |
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-Mike-
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Posted - 11/12/2005 : 14:43:16
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Originally posted by Eagle
co rikate na tyhle talnety....
1* Jednoznacne ti tam v arcane chybi improve counterspell to je nutnost.
2*Permafrost je k nicemu, urcite vymenit za improve frostbolt.
3*Chybi ti frost channeling (many neni nikdy dost)- dal bych to misto Winter's Chill nebo improve blizzard. |
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JerzeeG
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Posted - 12/12/2005 : 11:51:38
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quote:
Originally posted by -Mike-
quote:
Originally posted by Eagle
co rikate na tyhle talnety....
1* Jednoznacne ti tam v arcane chybi improve counterspell to je nutnost.
na PvE ? |
Jerzee <Mor do Kuli> |
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Eagle
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Posted - 13/12/2005 : 10:27:21
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a co treba tohle v dnesni dobe? na PvP .. hlavne co se tyka rezistenci ... predpokladam ze vsichnid davaji rezistence do fire/shadow ... ale to jen predpokladam :)
Arcane Talents (21 points)
Improved Arcane Missiles - 5/5 points
Arcane Concentration - 5/5 points
Improved Arcane Explosion - 5/5 points
Evocation - 1/1 point
Arcane Mediataion - 2/5 points
Improved Counterspell - 2/2 points
Presence of Mind - 1/1 point
Frost Talents (0 points)
Fire Talents (30 points)
Improved Fireball - 5/5 points
Impact - 5/5 points
Ignite - 5/5 points
Flame Throwing - 2/2 points
Improved Flamestrike - 3/3 points
Burning Soul - 3/3 points
Pyroblast - 1/1 point
Incinerate - 2/2 points
Blast Wave - 1/1 point
Critical Mass - 3/3 points
mozna misto Arcane Mediataion dat 2 body nekam jinam -
Improved Dampen Magic ?
Improved Mana Shield ?
Arcane Focus ?
u ty fire casti si ale vubec jistej nejsem :)
chybi mi tu
Improved Fire Blast - 5/5 points
Improved Fire Ward - 2/2 points
Improved Scorch - 5/5 points
Fire Power - 5/5 points
nakonec mi vychazi neco takovyho
Fire Talents (30 points)
Impact - 5/5 points
Ignite - 5/5 points
Improved Fire Blast - 1/5 point
Improved Flamestrike - 3/3 points
Burning Soul - 2/3 points
Improved Scorch - 5/5 points
Blast Wave - 1/1 point
Critical Mass - 3/3 points
Fire Power - 5/5 points
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Edited by - Eagle on 13/12/2005 19:20:07 |
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JerzeeG
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Posted - 13/12/2005 : 11:47:34
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fire je uplne na nic.. jak lidi ziskavaji vybavu s fire resistama proti ?ragnarosovi? ci komu, tak budes delat polovicni dmg.. a na PvE je to uplne na houno, mobove pak maji fire imunitu
(aspon doufam, ze neplacam kravoviny, kdyz tak me opravte) |
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Eagle
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Posted - 13/12/2005 : 12:11:58
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pak teda asi Frost Build - Arcane vetev zustane stejna takze podel poznamek vyse muzete poradit taky :)
nove je tu Frost tak se na ni zamerte :)
Arcane Talents (21 points)
Improved Arcane Missiles - 5/5 points
Arcane Concentration - 5/5 points
Improved Arcane Explosion - 5/5 points
Evocation - 1/1 point
Improved Counterspell - 2/2 points
Arcane Meditation - 2/5 points
Presence of Mind - 1/1 point
Frost Talents (30 points)
Improved Frostbolt - 5/5 points
Ice Shards - 5/5 points
Improved Frost Nova - 2/2 points
Cold Snap - 1/1 point
Piercing Ice - 3/3 points
Frost Channeling - 3/3 points
Arctic Reach - 2/2 points
Improved Cone of Cold - 3/3 points
Ice Block - 1/1 point
Frostbite - 5/5 points
Fire Talents (0 points)
tady mi snad chybi jedine Shatter 5/5 ale nevim zase misto ceho ho dat
- mozna ubrat body z Frost Channeling ... coz setri manu
a pak jeste asi z Piercing Ice ...
- nebo mozna ubrat z Frostbite ... ale nevim nevim ...
- mozna ubrat ze vseho kousek a dat to do Shatteru
jeste jsem nekde videl
Improved Frostbolt - 4/5 points
Permafrost - 1/5 point
ale ta vterina me asi nevytrhne :)
pak vyjde neco takoveho
Frost Talents (30 points)
Improved Frostbolt - 5/5 points
Ice Shards - 5/5 points
Improved Frost Nova - 2/2 points
Piercing Ice - 3/3 points
Cold Snap - 1/1 point
Frost Channeling - 2/3 points
Shatter - 4/5 points
Arctic Reach - 1/2 point
Improved Cone of Cold - 3/3 points
Ice Block - 1/1 point
Frostbite - 3/5 points
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Edited by - Eagle on 13/12/2005 18:16:05 |
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beldor5
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Posted - 13/12/2005 : 12:57:33
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quote:
Originally posted by JerzeeG
fire je uplne na nic.. jak lidi ziskavaji vybavu s fire resistama proti ?ragnarosovi? ci komu, tak budes delat polovicni dmg.. a na PvE je to uplne na houno, mobove pak maji fire imunitu
(aspon doufam, ze neplacam kravoviny, kdyz tak me opravte)
Mno je to blbost.S rezistem fire 100(vic opravdu do normal pvp nenosi nikdo) mas prumerne tak 10-15% rezistnute dmg navic proti normal spelum tzn. "temer" nic.(vsimni si ze rikam navic!! ) |
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Eagle
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Posted - 13/12/2005 : 13:35:34
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| to "navic" na tom prave nechapu :) |
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JerzeeG
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Posted - 13/12/2005 : 15:27:05
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tak proc potom vsude narazim na zminky, ze lidi meni fire na frost, nebo maji rovnou frost ?
eagle - no nekde se tu vali odkaz na offic stranku s tabulkou resistu - ono clovek uz sam od sebe ma nejakou sanci na resist - a s vybavou ji ma vetsi, proto resistuje "navic"
jinak pokud chces delat PvP v BG (pokud se tomu da rikat PvP), cili zergovat, tak na to potrebujes instantni arcane explozi a more many, vic nic a jsi king.. |
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Edited by - JerzeeG on 13/12/2005 15:29:46 |
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Eagle
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Posted - 13/12/2005 : 15:42:17
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| me jde o to nemit ty talenty tak blbe jako to mam ted ... a nechci to predelavat 10x ... takze bych chtel slyset co nejvic nazoru na jednotlive talenty a jejich kombinace abych si postavim neco co vyhovuje me ... zkouseni je sice fajn ale moje kasicka neni bezedna :) |
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Rakhen
Junior Member
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Posted - 13/12/2005 : 15:43:08
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quote:
Originally posted by JerzeeG
tak proc potom vsude narazim na zminky, ze lidi meni fire na frost, nebo maji rovnou frost ?
Protože AB/AV je o spolupráci lidí a ne o 1 vs 1 jednou za tři minuty...
quote:
Originally posted by JerzeeG
jinak pokud chces delat PvP v BG (pokud se tomu da rikat PvP), cili zergovat, tak na to potrebujes instantni arcane explozi a more many, vic nic a jsi king..
... což jsi evidentně nepochopil :)
Frostmág je v řízeném masspvp (a ne bezhlavém zerkování) daleko užitečnější - sice má o něco menší damage (a získá míň honoru za cíle) ale skupina z něj profituje daleko víc - sehraní frostmágové s hunterama v AV jsou peklo. |
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beldor5
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Posted - 13/12/2005 : 18:41:54
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mno je to tim ze
1)fire je v Mc/bwl na nic->>frost
2)Kostka(ice block) je uber pvp/pve spell.(pro ab fakt lol a nepostradatelne)
Nicmene fire mag je na solo pvp nebo duely lepsi(me jako druida napriklad nema frost mag temer sanci zabit).. |
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-Mike-
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Posted - 13/12/2005 : 20:22:36
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quote:
Originally posted by JerzeeG
quote:
Originally posted by -Mike-
1* Jednoznacne ti tam v arcane chybi improve counterspell to je nutnost.
na PvE ?
A proc ne? je par mobu na ktery je dobry pouzit silence a celkove se tak to kouzlo hodi. |
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JerzeeG
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Posted - 14/12/2005 : 11:56:40
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quote:
Originally posted by -Mike-
quote:
Originally posted by JerzeeG
quote:
Originally posted by -Mike-
1* Jednoznacne ti tam v arcane chybi improve counterspell to je nutnost.
na PvE ?
A proc ne? je par mobu na ktery je dobry pouzit silence a celkove se tak to kouzlo hodi.
jo, v jedne sekunde pouzijes silence a v druhe sekunde jsi mrtvy, ne ? |
Jerzee <Mor do Kuli> |
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