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Jorssk
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 Posted - 16/09/2004 : 05:59:34
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Celkem pekny a zajimavy clanek, proc radsi imperium nez zvracene rebely:
We've all seen the movies and know what the Empire has done and what the Rebellion is fighting against. One user has taken a deeper look into the movies and story of the Star Wars Universe. He has provided a well written proposal, documenting the fact that the Empire was not evil and in fact, was working for the greater good of the galaxy. The old republic wasn't working out very well as the size of the Republic grew. They couldn't keep control and it was starting to show. The Empire was formed to fix what the Republic couldn't do and restore order to the universe. A counter argument has been brought up that would show the Empire being built solely for the Emperor and not for the good of the universe. Both writings provide persuasive arguments as to who the real bad guy is in the story.
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STAR WARS RETURNS today with its fifth installment, "Attack of the Clones." There will be talk of the Force and the Dark Side and the epic morality of George Lucas's series. But the truth is that from the beginning, Lucas confused the good guys with the bad. The deep lesson of Star Wars is that the Empire is good.
It's a difficult leap to make--embracing Darth Vader and the Emperor over the plucky and attractive Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia--but a careful examination of the facts, sorted apart from Lucas's off-the-shelf moral cues, makes a quite convincing case.
First, an aside: For the sake of this discussion, I've considered only the history gleaned from the actual Star Wars films, not the Expanded Universe. If you know what the Expanded Universe is and want to argue that no discussion of Star Wars can be complete without considering material outside the canon, that's fine. However, it's always been my view that the comic books and novels largely serve to clean up Lucas's narrative and philosophical messes. Therefore, discussions of intrinsic intent must necessarily revolve around the movies alone. You may disagree, but please don't e-mail me about it.
If you don't know what the Expanded Universe is, well, uh, neither do I.
I. The Problems with the Galactic Republic
At the beginning of the Star Wars saga, the known universe is governed by the Galactic Republic. The Republic is controlled by a Senate, which is, in turn, run by an elected chancellor who's in charge of procedure, but has little real power.
Scores of thousands of planets are represented in the Galactic Senate, and as we first encounter it, it is sclerotic and ineffectual. The Republic has grown over many millennia to the point where there are so many factions and disparate interests, that it is simply too big to be governable. Even the Republic's staunchest supporters recognize this failing: In "The Phantom Menace," Queen Amidala admits, "It is clear to me now that the Republic no longer functions." In "Attack of the Clones," young Anakin Skywalker observes that it simply "doesn't work."
The Senate moves so slowly that it is powerless to stop aggression between member states. In "The Phantom Menace" a supra-planetary alliance, the Trade Federation (think of it as OPEC to the Galactic Republic's United Nations), invades a planet and all the Senate can agree to do is call for an investigation.
Like the United Nations, the Republic has no armed forces of its own, but instead relies on a group of warriors, the Jedi knights, to "keep the peace." The Jedi, while autonomous, often work in tandem with the Senate, trying to smooth over quarrels and avoid conflicts. But the Jedi number only in the thousands--they cannot protect everyone.
What's more, it's not clear that they should be "protecting" anyone. The Jedi are Lucas's great heroes, full of Zen wisdom and righteous power. They encourage people to "use the Force"--the mystical energy which is the source of their power--but the truth, revealed in "The Phantom Menace," is that the Force isn't available to the rabble. The Force comes from midi-chlorians, tiny symbiotic organisms in people's blood, like mitochondria. The Force, it turns out, is an inherited, genetic trait. If you don't have the blood, you don't get the Force. Which makes the Jedi not a democratic militia, but a royalist Swiss guard.
And an arrogant royalist Swiss guard, at that. With one or two notable exceptions, the Jedi we meet in Star Wars are full of themselves. They ignore the counsel of others (often with terrible consequences), and seem honestly to believe that they are at the center of the universe. When the chief Jedi record-keeper is asked in "Attack of the Clones" about a planet she has never heard of, she replies that if it's not in the Jedi archives, it doesn't exist. (The planet in question does exist, again, with terrible consequences.)
In "Attack of the Clones," a mysterious figure, Count Dooku, leads a separatist movement of planets that want to secede from the Republic. Dooku promises these confederates smaller government, unlimited free trade, and an "absolute commitment to capitalism." Dooku's motives are suspect--it's not clear whether or not he believes in these causes. However, there's no reason to doubt the motives of the other separatists--they seem genuinely to want to make a fresh start with a government that isn't bloated and dysfunctional.
The Republic, of course, is eager to quash these separatists, but they never make a compelling case--or any case, for that matter--as to why, if they are such a freedom-loving regime, these planets should not be allowed to check out of the Republic and take control of their own destinies.
II. The Empire
We do not yet know the exact how's and why's, but we do know this: At some point between the end of Episode II and the beginning of Episode IV, the Republic is replaced by an Empire. The first hint comes in "Attack of the Clones," when the Senate's Chancellor Palpatine is granted emergency powers to deal with the separatists. It spoils very little to tell you that Palpatine eventually becomes the Emperor. For a time, he keeps the Senate in place, functioning as a rubber-stamp, much like the Roman imperial senate, but a few minutes into Episode IV, we are informed that the he has dissolved the Senate, and that "the last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away."
Lucas wants the Empire to stand for evil, so he tells us that the Emperor and Darth Vader have gone over to the Dark Side and dresses them in black.
But look closer. When Palpatine is still a senator, he says, "The Republic is not what it once was. The Senate is full of greedy, squabbling delegates. There is no interest in the common good." At one point he laments that "the bureaucrats are in charge now."
Palpatine believes that the political order must be manipulated to produce peace and stability. When he mutters, "There is no civility, there is only politics," we see that at heart, he's an esoteric Straussian.
Make no mistake, as emperor, Palpatine is a dictator--but a relatively benign one, like Pinochet. It's a dictatorship people can do business with. They collect taxes and patrol the skies. They try to stop organized crime (in the form of the smuggling rings run by the Hutts). The Empire has virtually no effect on the daily life of the average, law-abiding citizen.
Also, unlike the divine-right Jedi, the Empire is a meritocracy. The Empire runs academies throughout the galaxy (Han Solo begins his career at an Imperial academy), and those who show promise are promoted, often rapidly. In "The Empire Strikes Back" Captain Piett is quickly promoted to admiral when his predecessor "falls down on the job."
And while it's a small point, the Empire's manners and decorum speak well of it. When Darth Vader is forced to employ bounty hunters to track down Han Solo, he refuses to address them by name. Even Boba Fett, the greatest of all trackers, is referred to icily as "bounty hunter." And yet Fett understands the protocol. When he captures Solo, he calls him "Captain Solo." (Whether this is in deference to Han's former rank in the Imperial starfleet, or simply because Han owns and pilots his own ship, we don't know. I suspect it's the former.)
But the most compelling evidence that the Empire isn't evil comes in "The Empire Strikes Back" when Darth Vader is battling Luke Skywalker. After an exhausting fight, Vader is poised to finish Luke off, but he stays his hand. He tries to convert Luke to the Dark Side with this simple plea: "There is no escape. Don't make me destroy you. . . . Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy." It is here we find the real controlling impulse for the Dark Side and the Empire. The Empire doesn't want slaves or destruction or "evil." It wants order.
None of which is to say that the Empire isn't sometimes brutal. In Episode IV, Imperial stormtroopers kill Luke's aunt and uncle and Grand Moff Tarkin orders the destruction of an entire planet, Alderaan. But viewed in context, these acts are less brutal than they initially appear. Poor Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen reach a grisly end, but only after they aid the rebellion by hiding Luke and harboring two fugitive droids. They aren't given due process, but they are traitors.
The destruction of Alderaan is often cited as ipso facto proof of the Empire's "evilness" because it seems like mass murder--planeticide, even. As Tarkin prepares to fire the Death Star, Princess Leia implores him to spare the planet, saying, "Alderaan is peaceful. We have no weapons." Her plea is important, if true.
But the audience has no reason to believe that Leia is telling the truth. In Episode IV, every bit of information she gives the Empire is willfully untrue. In the opening, she tells Darth Vader that she is on a diplomatic mission of mercy, when in fact she is on a spy mission, trying to deliver schematics of the Death Star to the Rebel Alliance. When asked where the Alliance is headquartered, she lies again.
Leia's lies are perfectly defensible--she thinks she's serving the greater good--but they make her wholly unreliable on the question of whether or not Alderaan really is peaceful and defenseless. If anything, since Leia is a high-ranking member of the rebellion and the princess of Alderaan, it would be reasonable to suspect that Alderaan is a front for Rebel activity or at least home to many more spies and insurgents like Leia.
Whatever the case, the important thing to recognize is that the Empire is not committing random acts of terror. It is engaged in a fight for the survival of its regime against a violent group of rebels who are committed to its destruction.
III. After the Rebellion
As we all know from the final Star Wars installment, "Return of the Jedi," the rebellion is eventually successful. The Emperor is assassinated, Darth Vader abdicates his post and dies, the central governing apparatus of the Empire is destroyed in a spectacular space battle, and the rebels rejoice with their small, annoying Ewok friends. But what happens next?
(There is a raft of literature on this point, but, as I said at the beginning, I'm going to ignore it because it doesn't speak to Lucas's original intent.)
In Episode IV, after Grand Moff Tarkin announces that the Imperial Senate has been abolished, he's asked how the Emperor can possibly hope to keep control of the galaxy. "The regional governors now have direct control over territories," he says. "Fear will keep the local systems in line."
So under Imperial rule, a large group of regional potentates, each with access to a sizable army and star destroyers, runs local affairs. These governors owe their fealty to the Emperor. And once the Emperor is dead, the galaxy will be plunged into chaos.
In all of the time we spend observing the Rebel Alliance, we never hear of their governing strategy or their plans for a post-Imperial universe. All we see are plots and fighting. Their victory over the Empire doesn't liberate the galaxy--it turns the galaxy into Somalia writ large: dominated by local warlords who are answerable to no one.
Which makes the rebels--Lucas's heroes--an unimpressive crew of anarchic royals who wreck the galaxy so that Princess Leia can have her tiara back.
I'll take the Empire.
Where's the Star Wars!?
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by FransisOFassisi
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Emperor Palpatine named his regime the Galactic Empire after he came to power. The regime was supposed to eradicate the corruption and social injustices of the previous government, but it soon became evident that the Emperor had no intention of returning the galaxy to a state of peace and justice. His government corrected the mistakes that made the Old Republic ineffective and unwieldy, but it also installed a program designed to subjugate, as many planetary governments as possible for the personal glory and benefit of the Emperor. The Empire was a regime of tyranny and evil. Bolstered by a vast war machine and held together by the dark will of the Emperor, the Empire held sway over the galaxy for many years.
Goals
The goals of the Imperial Faction (a.k.a. the Empire) are to control the galaxy through means of fear and oppression in the hopes of "creating an orderly and uncorrupt galaxy (or more casually put "For the glory of the Emperor"). The Empire will use their endless amount of resources to end what "villainy and terror" is present within the galaxy.
Oreginal stranka: http://www.swgcenter.com/info/article.asp?ID=2953
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Genagen
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Posted - 16/09/2004 : 08:05:13
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To je legracni, co lidi kolem jednoho priblblyho filmovyho serialu nadelaj |
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Quartax
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Posted - 16/09/2004 : 08:26:39
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slovy klasika , moc dlouhy a anglicky .. to přece nebudu číst :-)
no tak sem to nakonec dolouskal :-)
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Nat
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Posted - 16/09/2004 : 11:38:49
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Na tom je vidět, že Lucasovy Starwars nejsou jen sci-fi filmy, jemu se podařilo mnohem víc - zatáhnout obrovskou spoustu lidí do "jeho" světa vytvořeného jeho fanstasií a podnítit tak fantasii spousty dalších lidí.
Podobné úvahy se objevují na SW fórech, kde jsou lidi schopni toto probírat klidne 5 let v jednom topiku o desetitisících příspěvcích, které nejsou offtopic a mají minimálně 3 dlouhé věty. |
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Genagen
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Posted - 16/09/2004 : 14:07:43
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No trochu mi to pripomina prednasky na tolkien conu. Treba "zbytkove dobro ve skretech". Pripadne preklady Bible do elfstiny :-)
Ale zase na druhou stranu Pan prstenu neni hloupe cteni narozdil od IMO hloupych SW filmu  |
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Jorssk
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Posted - 16/09/2004 : 14:13:43
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| Gene je to uplne stejne. Pan prstenu je ale fantasy a Star Wars je spise sci-fi, nebo take fantasy? No oboje je rozdilny svet ktere ma sve fany. A ne jen hloupi film ci kniha. |
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Hosty
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Posted - 16/09/2004 : 18:28:00
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| SW je sci-fi. inak zatial sa mi to citat nechce, dufam ze najdem cas aby som si to precital, fakt dlhe |
-Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free- |
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Jedi_Knight
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Posted - 16/09/2004 : 18:50:08
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quote:
Originally posted by Jorssk
Gene je to uplne stejne. Pan prstenu je ale fantasy a Star Wars je spise sci-fi, nebo take fantasy? No oboje je rozdilny svet ktere ma sve fany. A ne jen hloupi film ci kniha.
Ehm, v tomhle má Gen pravdu. SW jsou možná pěkné filmy, ale Tolkienovo dílo je přece jen trošku něco jiného. |
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Jorssk
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Posted - 16/09/2004 : 22:05:14
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Nejde o to jesli je to neci dilo, ale o to ze jsou to oba dva propracovane svety ktere maji hodne fanousku. SW vychazeji z filmu, Pan Prstenu naopak z knihy.(i kdyz by se dalo rict ze je SW take dilo, svim zpusobem)
Tamon - No to je sporne protoze SW do klasickeho sci-fi zaradit nemuzes ale do fantasy taky ne takze je to asi Sci-fi-fantasy :D Nebo jeste lepsi fantasy ve vesmiru. |
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smajlik02
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Posted - 16/09/2004 : 22:16:31
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Musim souhlasit s Jorsskem, ve svy podstate je to stejne.
Diky Tolkienovi se prohani Dwarfove, elfove, trollove.
Diky lucasovi tu mame zase dost pobihajicich, od vecera do rana expujicich jedi
Oboji je nadherne propracovane a najde si fanousky vsude na svete. |
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Hosty
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Posted - 17/09/2004 : 15:18:23
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neni to trochu offtopic ?
sice neviem o com je ten text, ale myslim ze o tomto to neni |
-Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free- |
Edited by - Hosty on 17/09/2004 15:19:04 |
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Hosty
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Posted - 17/09/2004 : 15:21:04
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| sakra preco tu neni moznost "new poll" ? som chcel spravit poll :( |
-Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free- |
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Giltanas
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Posted - 18/09/2004 : 02:09:06
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Super clanek. Ja vedel ze Vader je gooder :-)
Star wars jsou cisty a nefalsovany fantasy. jen si vyhledejte definici fantasy :-) Sci-fi je vedecka fikce, ale zalozena na znalostech "dneska" Lucas a ani vterinu nesnazil delat to relne. (blastry strilej velmi pomalu, strely jsou odrazeny svetlem. Svetelnym mecem se da sermovat i kdyz je to jen svetlo atd atd atd.)
Genagen: SW rohodne nejsou jen stupidni serial. SW v sobe maj myslenku. je to skvele vytvorenej svet. A ja na nem vyrostl tak k nemu mam velmi silny citovy vztah :-) |
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Jorssk
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Posted - 18/09/2004 : 13:44:30
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| Svetelny mec neni svetlo ale laser :) |
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Jedi_Knight
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Posted - 18/09/2004 : 13:56:56
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quote:
Originally posted by Jorssk
Svetelny mec neni svetlo ale laser :)
Tohle opravdu nemá cenu komentovat.  |
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Hosty
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Posted - 18/09/2004 : 18:09:08
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Originally posted by Jedi_Knight
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Originally posted by Jorssk
Svetelny mec neni svetlo ale laser :)
Tohle opravdu nemá cenu komentovat.
jj, lol |
-Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free- |
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Giltanas
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Posted - 18/09/2004 : 21:03:43
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Originally posted by Jorssk
Svetelny mec neni svetlo ale laser :)
LASER
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Amplification
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Emission
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* Light = svetlo |
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Edited by - Giltanas on 18/09/2004 21:04:07 |
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cancerman
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Posted - 18/09/2004 : 21:09:45
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quote:
Originally posted by Giltanas
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Originally posted by Jorssk
Svetelny mec neni svetlo ale laser :)
LASER
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tak todle je zemanuv ROFEL :) |
pisu jak prase ... no a?
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smajlik02
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Posted - 18/09/2004 : 21:26:56
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quote:
Originally posted by Jorssk
Svetelny mec neni svetlo ale laser :)
Hele jorsku, vysvetli mi, jaky je rozdil mezi laserem, a svetlem
mno, treba bude mit jine vysvetleni |
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Jedi_Knight
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Posted - 18/09/2004 : 21:35:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Giltanas
quote:
Originally posted by Jorssk
Svetelny mec neni svetlo ale laser :)
LASER
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* Light = svetlo
A já doufal že ho v tom necháš. |
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smajlik02
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Posted - 18/09/2004 : 21:46:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Jedi_Knight
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Originally posted by Giltanas
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Originally posted by Jorssk
Svetelny mec neni svetlo ale laser :)
LASER
Light*
Amplification
(through) Stimulatet
Emission
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* Light = svetlo
A já doufal že ho v tom necháš.
Tak ja bych to nejak zkusil vysvetlit. LOL ze me vypadne ale kravina.
Svetlo: Mnozina elektromagnetickeho zareni sirici se vsemi smery od zdroje.
Polarizovane Svetlo: Mnozina elektrickeho, nebo magnetickeho zareni, sirici se jednim smerem v jedom svazku od zdroje.
Laser: To same co polarizvane svetlo, akorat, ze obsahuje obe slozky
Tak, a jak je to to teda s tema LS
LOL to prilitne facek, jak jsem to tady vylicil
Upozornuju, ze jsem to nevytahl z nake ucebnice, slovniku, webu. je to ciste z me hlavy, a proto je docela mozny, a vice nez pravdepodobny, ze to je blbe |
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Giltanas
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Posted - 20/09/2004 : 13:01:52
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No kdyz uz jsme u toho hodnyho imperia. Tak malej dukaz ze to SOE zase posrali. Clovek tu muze byt jen Jedi nebo Dark Jedi. Coz je nesmysl. Neni zadnej temnej Jedi. Jsou Sithove. Temny jedi je defakto "svetlej" jedi. To je jasny uz jen ze zacatku jejich kodexu.
There is no emotion there is pease.
Pravdive zacina kodex (KOTOR) Sithu. Peace is a lie....
Tam kde nejsou emoce. Neni slitovani, Neni laska, neni obetovani.... Tudis tam neni ani dobro. A kdyz to neni dobro muze to byt jen zlo :-) (neutralita neexistuje). Cili Sithove MOHOU byt zly ale maji STEJNY predpoklad pro dobro. Ridi se svymi city a tudis jsou lepsi nez chladni "temni" Jedi (Yoda a spol) A Luke byl Sith. Ridil se emocema (Epizoda V - Letel zachranit Leiu. Epizoda VI zzelelo se mu Vadera a nedorazil ho.) |
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Quartax
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Posted - 20/09/2004 : 13:25:19
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| diť ste všichni vedle, sv meč jsou zářivky neonky :-) které mají okolo sebe silové pole a proto odrážejí ostatní svýstřely :-) |
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Nat
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Posted - 20/09/2004 : 13:33:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Giltanas
No kdyz uz jsme u toho hodnyho imperia. Tak malej dukaz ze to SOE zase posrali. Clovek tu muze byt jen Jedi nebo Dark Jedi. Coz je nesmysl. Neni zadnej temnej Jedi. Jsou Sithove. Temny jedi je defakto "svetlej" jedi. To je jasny uz jen ze zacatku jejich kodexu.
There is no emotion there is pease.
Pravdive zacina kodex (KOTOR) Sithu. Peace is a lie....
Tam kde nejsou emoce. Neni slitovani, Neni laska, neni obetovani.... Tudis tam neni ani dobro. A kdyz to neni dobro muze to byt jen zlo :-) (neutralita neexistuje). Cili Sithove MOHOU byt zly ale maji STEJNY predpoklad pro dobro. Ridi se svymi city a tudis jsou lepsi nez chladni "temni" Jedi (Yoda a spol) A Luke byl Sith. Ridil se emocema (Epizoda V - Letel zachranit Leiu. Epizoda VI zzelelo se mu Vadera a nedorazil ho.)
Technická - Luke se stal Jedi až po souboji se svým otcem. Rodina Skywalkerů to měla s "orientací" vždycky trochu zamotané ((; .. epizodka v ROJ na palubě DSII. byla ukázka toho, jak lze balancovat na hraně, navíc těmi emocemi se myslí emoce spadající do řetězce strach, nenávist, zloba, které vedou k utrpení. Luke v závěru svého Jedi výcviku projevil mír, otce nezabil .. ale jako pravý skywalker měl taky namále. (: |
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Giltanas
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Posted - 20/09/2004 : 14:38:25
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| Nesouhlasim. Jedi tim mysli JAKEKOLIV emoce :-) Vem si Druhou Epidodu kde anakinovi zakazali lasku s tim, ze je to emoce. :-) |
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Nat
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Posted - 20/09/2004 : 15:07:32
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Originally posted by Giltanas
Nesouhlasim. Jedi tim mysli JAKEKOLIV emoce :-) Vem si Druhou Epidodu kde anakinovi zakazali lasku s tim, ze je to emoce. :-)
Nesouhlasím. V druhé epizodě sám Anakin říká, že láska zakázaná není. Naopak, že v jistém smyslu Jediové musí milovat, protože soucit je naopak nezbytný. Luke projevil ke svému otci soucit, což by nemohl udělat, kdyby byl Sith.
Kodex Jedi zakazuje závislost na druhém, posedlost - protože to vede k dark side - aneb někdo má přespříliš rád někoho, toho mu sejmou a byl-li ten vztah příliš silný, vede to k pomstě, krutosti etc ... |
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Pedro
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Stejne je ST (Startrek) lepsi...  |
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Hosty
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Posted - 20/09/2004 : 15:49:11
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Originally posted by Pedro
Stejne je ST (Startrek) lepsi...
No to je tvoj nazor, podla mna je to shit
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Jedi_Knight
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Posted - 20/09/2004 : 18:22:08
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Originally posted by Nat
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Originally posted by Giltanas
Nesouhlasim. Jedi tim mysli JAKEKOLIV emoce :-) Vem si Druhou Epidodu kde anakinovi zakazali lasku s tim, ze je to emoce. :-)
Nesouhlasím. V druhé epizodě sám Anakin říká, že láska zakázaná není. Naopak, že v jistém smyslu Jediové musí milovat, protože soucit je naopak nezbytný. Luke projevil ke svému otci soucit, což by nemohl udělat, kdyby byl Sith.
Kodex Jedi zakazuje závislost na druhém, posedlost - protože to vede k dark side - aneb někdo má přespříliš rád někoho, toho mu sejmou a byl-li ten vztah příliš silný, vede to k pomstě, krutosti etc ...
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Posted - 21/09/2004 : 20:35:18
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