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MegaDeath
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 Posted - 19/05/2005 : 16:26:36
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Jak nadpis napovida, otazka zni: Je vyhodne pouzit v boji s warriorem evasion nebo ne?
co vy na to?
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spajdr
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 16:29:04
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Originally posted by MegaDeath
Jak nadpis napovida, otazka zni: Je vyhodne pouzit v boji s warriorem evasion nebo ne?
co vy na to?
Určitě je to výhodné, zkoušel jsem si pvp duel s kámošem warriorem a rozdíl byl vidět, hlavně při malém zdraví je to nutnost mít zapnuté. |
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 16:41:49
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| Pokud se nemylim, tak evasion zvysuje sanci na dodge a dodge = overpower = velka sance na peknej crit (pokud ma clovek 2/2 imp. overpower v Arms). |
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 16:43:26
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Originally posted by Shemiramoth
Pokud se nemylim, tak evasion zvysuje sanci na Dodge a dodge = overpower = velka sance na peknej crit (pokud ma clovek 2/2 imp. overpower v Arms).
to je jeden aspekt, druhej aspekt je ze zvysuje sanci na dodge a tim padem muzes dodgnout mortal strike, rend, hamstring... |
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 16:49:27
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Originally posted by MegaDeath
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Originally posted by Shemiramoth
Pokud se nemylim, tak evasion zvysuje sanci na Dodge a dodge = overpower = velka sance na peknej crit (pokud ma clovek 2/2 imp. overpower v Arms).
to je jeden aspekt, druhej aspekt je ze zvysuje sanci na dodge a tim padem muzes dodgnout mortal strike, rend, hamstring...
JJ to je vyhoda, otazka je jestli se vyplati zapinat Evasion, kdyz OP ma recharge time 5 sekund a uprimne crit s 2h weapon je pekne velkej. Dalsi veci je ze OP stoji pouze 5 rage, coz v konecnym dusledku,muze znamenat daleko rychlejsi ztratu HP u rogue, nez kdyz nedodge MS.
Mohlo by se to ale vyplatit proti shield tankovi, ktery jede v zapnute def stanci.
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 16:56:54
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dneska sem nekdy rano napadnul horodeje v EP, on mi uspesne dodgnul kideny shot, gouge i pro me zachranej blind (nakonec mi dal execute za 2200+hp :)) tak si rikam, jestli by me dodge taky nepridal par sanci na vyhnuti nekolika neprijemnejm abilitam predevsim kdyz se neco posere (viz muj priklad)
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 17:03:44
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Execute das jak v B tak A stanci. Overpower specka je prave proto, aby mohl warrior nakopat prdel rogue. Execute je nepomerne drazsi na rage, nez OP + ma podminku maximalne 20 procent HP. Ty dva body v arms jsou jedna z nejlepsich investici v teto vetvi a ARMS warriori to dobre vedi.
Evasion ma smysl asi jen na Def/Fury specku. Porad si nemuzu pomoci, ale zapnout evasion proti OP 2/2 specnutymu warrovi podle me jista smrt pro rogue. 
Btw neni ten blind bugnutej? |
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Mefisto
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 17:07:24
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imho ti war nebude pouzivat mortal strike kdyz zapnes evasion protoze vi ze kazdej dodgnutej uder je pro nej instantnich 1k+ damage z overpoweru ...
mortal strike je na rage draha jako svine ... overpower stoji minimalni rage a dava udery jako blazen ...
nikdy nezapinam evasion proti warriorovi ( resp. zapinam po kousku fightu kdyz vidim ze mi ty crity na moje dodge nelitaj protoze v tu chvili vim ze bojuju s lamou )
edit : a ano .. blind se mi zda bugnutej ... |
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 17:13:58
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| s bugnutim blindu souhlasim, co sem cetl, tak vsichni doporucujou nehazet blind samotnej, ale gouge a potom blind - jenze to je 75 energy - 4 sec boje misto 2 ... |
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Tharn
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 17:21:11
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Originally posted by MegaDeath
nakonec mi dal execute za 2200+hp
Myslím, že když už jde použít Execute, tak s Arcanite Reaperem je na rogua Overpower stejně efektivní |
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Thundeeer
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 17:22:27
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| Pri boji s rogue len striehnem na to kedy dodgne. Na lvl 60 to bude mozno ine ale zatial mi overpower pripada ako pekny IWIN button proti rogue takze z pohladu warriora ti radim nepouzivat ;) |
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Warlord
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 17:24:14
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Originally posted by Shemiramoth
Mohlo by se to ale vyplatit proti shield tankovi, ktery jede v zapnute def stanci.
pokud neni lama a jel by prevazne v def stanci (btw dostava o 10% nemsi dmg) a tys dodgnul, tak se okamzite prepne do battle a ten overpower ti stejne da a prepne se zpet do def...
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 17:39:46
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Originally posted by Warlord
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Originally posted by Shemiramoth
Mohlo by se to ale vyplatit proti shield tankovi, ktery jede v zapnute def stanci.
pokud neni lama a jel by prevazne v def stanci (btw dostava o 10% nemsi dmg) a tys dodgnul, tak se okamzite prepne do battle a ten overpower ti stejne da a prepne se zpet do def...
edit: jo a imp. overpower neni vysadou jen arms warru
Taky je tu vec druha a to je Tactical Mastery, takze kdyz se def tank prepne do Arms vetve tak ztrati vsechnu rage. Opravdu nevim, jestli si def tankove davaji tactical mastery. Vyhoda je opet v tom, ze OP stoji jen 5 rage, coz je uber. Btw na OP je taky timer, do kdy ho muzes pouzit, ale neni videt. Nevite kolik je to cca sekund. Me to vychazi tak 5-7 sekund nez "zesedne". Mozna existuje jina podminka proto, aby "zesedl".
Jeste neco, OP crit s 1h zbrani tak neboli . |
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 17:41:34
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| mas na to 5sec |
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Kořka
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Posted - 19/05/2005 : 17:53:55
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| Imho je zapínat evasion sebevražda pro rogue(vidím z pohledu mého wara). A ještě ohledně tactical mastery: I kdyby je neměl, tak se přepne do b.stance>battle rage(isnta 10 rage) a ten overpower ti stejně dá :p A ono missnout ten mortal strike není zas taková hrůza, protože rage ti klesne jenom kousek a je to isnta útok, takže ani neztratíš čas(resp. dmg). |
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Colldor
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 09:12:03
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| overpower protiv warrum v zadnem pripade ... jedu rogua na test serveru a ty warry jsou svinarna, zvlast kdyz das Evasion. |
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Warlord
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 09:22:24
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ja bych vsem rougum poradil pouzivat veci co pridavaj dodge % a to evasion taky pouzivejte co nejvic, prece logicky kdyz budete mit hodne % v dodge tak se hodne ranam vyhnete a tim padem budete mit vic hp ne? 
edit: samozrejme ted sem mluvil k aliancnim rougum, hordacky sou tvrdy hosi a neco vydrzej, tak vy evasion nepouzivejte |
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 10:22:09
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Originally posted by Warlord
edit: samozrejme ted sem mluvil k aliancnim rougum, hordacky sou tvrdy hosi a neco vydrzej, tak vy evasion nepouzivejte
Ne, ne, horde rogue se pouzivani Evasion povoluje a doporucuje take. |
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Deimos
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 10:25:09
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rogue ktory proti warrovi pouzije evasion by zasluzil zaskrtit holyma rukama. Kdyz to pouzije proti warrovi ktory ma aspin trocha filipa tak je za par sekund po zlodejovi. staci mu potompouzivat nejaky low rage utok napr rend rogue muu ho okamzite dogne a overpoverem dostane ranu za 30% hp. je to sebevrazda.
Edit: samozrejme aliancni roguove by to pouzivat meli ;) |
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Mefisto
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 10:58:35
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Originally posted by Shemiramoth
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Originally posted by Warlord
edit: samozrejme ted sem mluvil k aliancnim rougum, hordacky sou tvrdy hosi a neco vydrzej, tak vy evasion nepouzivejte
Ne, ne, horde rogue se pouzivani Evasion povoluje a doporucuje take.
taurena na tebe :P
stejne mi tam ta schopnost "zaslapni gnoma" u toho taurena chybi :)
ale pravda je ta ze musi bejt uzasnej pocit za gnome rogua porazit tauren wara :))
nebo takova charge od gnome warriora ... lol |
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Warlord
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 11:06:35
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nebo takova charge od gnome warriora ... lol
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 11:15:27
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| i to sem videl, dokonce mel valor shouldriky a arcanite reapericka, vcera sem dokonce videl malou gnomku na suzuki taky valor+reaper (klišé) |
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 11:16:03
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Originally posted by Warlord
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Originally posted by Mefisto
nebo takova charge od gnome warriora ... lol
ROFL
:), predevcirem jsem zabil Tauren Warriora a o to vice to potesilo, ze byl o 4 levely vys (asi nejaka lama), btw shield+1h war. 3x mi dodgnul a uz se pomalu vezl. Asi vam postnu scr me bojovnice. |
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Colldor
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 11:40:12
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| Me vcera chargnul nejaky lvl 40 gnome warr ;b |
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Gabriel
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 11:42:41
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Asi vam postnu scr me bojovnice.
Tak šup šup. |
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 12:01:19
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Marigold
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 12:20:18
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Teda, vím že je to "jen hra", ale fakt bych chtěl vidět jak by takový gnome warrior umlátil dejme tomu obouručním "kladívkem" takovýho taurena 
V reálu by souboj skončil jedním dupnutím Docela jsem čuměl když jsem zjistil že gnome může být war |
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Kořka
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spajdr
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 13:32:32
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Teda, vím že je to "jen hra", ale fakt bych chtěl vidět jak by takový gnome warrior umlátil dejme tomu obouručním "kladívkem" takovýho taurena
V reálu by souboj skončil jedním dupnutím Docela jsem čuměl když jsem zjistil že gnome může být war
já si dodnes pamatuju malého gnóma rogue jak pidi nožema naháněl dva taureny a předtím zdrhali pár sekund, a pak během další půl minuty už se váleli na zemi |
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 14:05:27
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Originally posted by Kořka
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Originally posted by Shemiramoth
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O vikendu vam postnu Lorraine, ktera bude mit v ruce Kang the Decapitator .
Ježiš to je peklo!!! 
Jak tomu mam rozumet?. |
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Herbicid
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 15:49:35
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O vikendu vam postnu Lorraine, ktera bude mit v ruce Kang the Decapitator .
Mel by jsi si poridit nejakou poradnou helmu. Takhle nejsi poradnej Lord Helma jako ostani gnome warriori ;) |
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 16:06:06
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:), jj to jediny co mi vadi. Obecne gnomove maji vetsi hlavu a pokud na to hodis full helmet, tak jsi razem hodici helma s nozickama. Skoda ze se po nasazeni takoveho typu helmy hlava nezescaluje do prijatelne velikosti, aby to vypadalo dobre. 
Btw. rad bych dostal Icemetal Barbute. Jenze mi to porad nechce z toho blbyho liche padnout a to jsem ho zabil s partou uz tak 8x |
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Kořka
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 16:12:20
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Btw. rad bych dostal Icemetal Barbute. Jenze mi to porad nechce z toho blbyho liche padnout a to jsem ho zabil s partou uz tak 8x
Jako že to vypadá uber samozřejmě :) Ohledně helmy bych doporučil tu, co padá z těch 3 vikingů v Uldamanu. Jenže ty jsi alliance  Ta helma by imho vypadala naprosto hrubě na gnomovi(postnu sem screen, jak vypadá no mojem orkovi) |
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Warlord
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 16:33:41
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Btw. rad bych dostal Icemetal Barbute. Jenze mi to porad nechce z toho blbyho liche padnout a to jsem ho zabil s partou uz tak 8x
jj tu sem taky kdysi mival a celkem dlouho... |
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 16:33:58
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Kořka
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Posted - 20/05/2005 : 16:37:47
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Tož, když už sem napsal, že to postnu, tak to postnu :p
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DarkFace
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Posted - 21/05/2005 : 12:37:51
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Eh Shemi...
Clovek za tebou v STV bezi, mava a robi rozne emoty, ze ho pockas a zatancujeme si, zasmejeme sa ...
A ty zlezies z mounta a snazis sa ma zabit...
Az mi ta bolo luto...
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 21/05/2005 : 17:35:04
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Eh Shemi...
Clovek za tebou v STV bezi, mava a robi rozne emoty, ze ho pockas a zatancujeme si, zasmejeme sa ...
A ty zlezies z mounta a snazis sa ma zabit...
Az mi ta bolo luto...
fakt? Jak se jmenujes a mimochodem nejsi shaman?
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DarkFace
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Posted - 21/05/2005 : 19:55:51
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Weyop troll shammy...
Tak ta reku pockam pri mrtvole, ze snad neujdes, a pokecame a teba nikde, tak som myslel ze si logoultol.
Potom som ta znovu stretol, mavam ozivot a ty zdrhas.
Takyto nevdak.
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Shemiramoth
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Posted - 22/05/2005 : 08:09:06
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Aha, na tebe si pamatuju velmi dobre. Reknu ti jak to pusobi na alliancaka. Shaman se otocil a jde po tobe (jak jsi s vlkem utikal za mnou), rikal jsem si je o 3 (not sure) levely vyssi, shamana nedam. No, ale zkusim to. Tak jsem se otocil zpatky, a pak te chargnul. Tvoje cekani u me mrtvoly jsem bral jako corpse camping , a tak jsem se byl podivat s duchem, kde je presne ten troll, ktery vyvola Mokka.
Tot vse. Pravda je, ze se ucim hrat proti shamananovi, takze na ne vzdycky utocim. Asi mi to ulehci trochu Mortal Strike. Na 45lvl uz ho budu mit. |
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Shemiramoth
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DarkFace
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Posted - 22/05/2005 : 11:49:43
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Hmmm no kebyze ta chcem zabit, tak si mrtvy uz ked bezis okolo na mountovi: frost shocku a ghost wolfovi neujdes.
Friendly emote ako /hug /wave etc by som velmi ako prejav agresie nebral, najma nie od takej starej WoW skoly ako som ja (este stale uznavam, ak sa nepriatel v boji posadi ako symbol toho ze sa vzdava).
Navyse ten pokus bol naozaj chybny, vodim si warov do +6 levelov (niektorych sice tesne ale predsa), celkom v pohode.
Vcera ma sice nejaky hajzel s namakanou sekerou (52 human) rozsekal na par ran, ale inac... |
"I must not Fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is little death that brings total obliteration. I will let it pass through me and over me. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. " |
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Tharn
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Pepo
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Posted - 22/05/2005 : 20:18:04
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Nastastie existuje.
Tak hento je akoze dost lol  to trosku blizzard posral. |
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Kořka
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Posted - 22/05/2005 : 21:42:46
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quote:
Originally posted by Pepo
Nastastie existuje.
Tak hento je akoze dost lol to trosku blizzard posral.
+1, jj
Ne, jako to je trošku přeplesk ten model, ale náhodou já bych tak chodil :) Jezdící helma co dává crity za 1K .) to musí být maso |
Arokh
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MegaDeath
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Posted - 23/05/2005 : 09:25:58
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| jezis tady se to zvrhlo, najednou je tu z toho obludarium!!!!! |
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spajdr
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Posted - 23/05/2005 : 09:57:07
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quote:
Originally posted by MegaDeath
jezis tady se to zvrhlo, najednou je tu z toho obludarium!!!!!
pohoda, ale viděl jsem nemrtvé horďáky v tomto traileru
http://games.tiscali.cz/clanek/dl.asp?id=9112
Vy taky musíte lézt všude  |
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