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Diblajz
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 Posted - 23/02/2005 : 04:07:15
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A diky tomu vsemu Mythiku tece do bot  |
Edited by - Diblajz on 23/02/2005 04:07:51 |
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Ta-Ro
Starting Member
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Posted - 23/02/2005 : 08:03:14
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jeste jedna vec, ono ziskat hafo platin neni zadna prdel, nejaky cas to trva a urcite pak nikdo nema naladu jen tak rozdavat kdovijake prachy...
u tebe je ta chyba ze si nedokazal si vybrat 1 .. 1 char ktery by si stale hral a kdybysi nedelal dve 40tky uz by si tu 50ku mel.. |
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Yurrk
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Posted - 23/02/2005 : 19:14:49
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Originally posted by Deimnia
Fyi Yurrk: Dnes mi nezavysle na sobe 4 lidi z guildy potvrdili, ze jsi po nich "somroval" vybavu a penize a prej jeste dost nevybiravym zpusobem typu :"Potrebuju to_a_to, prijd rychle do TNN".
looooooooool tak toto ma uz vazne dostalo :-))))
Som ti hovoril chod si somariny pisat inde.Nech sem kazdy napise co som mu pisal! A z akeho nicku ! Po nikom som "nesomroval" vybavu a peniaze a este sposobom ako ako pises heh :-)) Rozmyslam teraz co som asi chcel hm hmm asi po kazdom jednu platinku a uber magic itemky ? :-))) Si naozaj s prepacenim "VUL" s velkym V ale ak teda 4 povedali tak uz niesi v ohradke sam :p Jedine co som par ludom pisal je ze kupim emeraldy a davno skutocne davno som pisal aj to bol myslim Pepo ze kupim nejake stare magic itemy pre moje postavy ked budu.Ale ze by som niekomu pisal pisat ze dones my toto a toto do TNN hned teraz no nehnevaj sa :-) No ale dobre to tu je :p to som zas raz skvele pobavil :-))) Dufam ze je to posledny post co pisem,lebo zmysel to nema, ale spinu na seba hadzat neneham...
No a kde su tie Nicky z ktorych som zobral od teba Armory a peniaze ? Nasich citatelou to bude urcite zaujimat :D
No Drinny neni sranda spravit 50 sam a uz vobec nie na mordrede... |
UO, DAOC, WO, WOW, AION, AOC, GW, ALLODS, RIFT, SWTOR,
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Edited by - Yurrk on 23/02/2005 20:25:12 |
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Pramen
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Posted - 23/02/2005 : 21:22:34
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myslim chlapi, ze byste se meli za svuj miss se omluvit, protoze jak to vypada, taky Yurrk neni ten hrac , za ktereho ho povazujete  |
Edited by - Pramen on 23/02/2005 21:23:05 |
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Diblajz
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448 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2005 : 21:53:07
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Nechci kibicovat ale na tohle by jste si mohli zalozit topic "kydani hnoje" nebo neco v tom smyslu.
Ted me treba proklinejte,ze se vracim k puvodnimu tematu a to je "Proc mythicu tece do bot"
Podle meho osobniho nazoru vse zacalo vydanim SI(hlavne SI postavy necro a dost dlouho savage).
K dilu zkazy pridali datadisk Trial of Atlantis,kde se nuzky mezi classy a realmy jeste vic rozevrely(capy statu,itemy s nehoraznyma bonusama,artiky,ML),mezitim stacili nekolikrat nerfnout vetsinu classu ve hre ve snaze neco "zachranit".Aby toho nebylo dost,pridali Novy frontier,kde v RvR bojich vylozene znevyhodnili pure melee classy a uplne dokurvili system dobyvani pevnosti a vezi,prepracovani BG je OK,akorat s frontierama to nejak nevychytali.Zlatej starej frontier.
Dilo skazy dovrsilo vydani WoW,kam preslo podle meho odhadu 30-50% veskere US DAOC populace, a soubezne vydani datadisku Catacombs,kde nove classy jsou totalne overpowered a zavdavkem zmenili system ziskani DF do drzeni realmu.(RvR je ted o hovne,jen se bojuje v 99% o vezicky)
Abych jen nekritizoval 
Pokrok v grafickym enginu hry po kazdym datadisku byl dost znat,rozsirila se hraci plocha,dokonce i o dalsi rozmer(moznost potapeni se),nektery veci ktery potrebovaly prepracovat prepracovali(uz neni tolik "stuck issue" jako driv,zjednoduseny cestovani po svete,blokli spousty acc kvuli cheatovani,omezili moznost pouzivani ruznych podvudku apod.)Bohuzel nektery bugy ignorujou a LZOU nam(pry nejde nekoho zasahnout krz zed domu,pevnosti,vezicky,dvere budov HAHAHAHA nebo radsi udelali z bugu feature  ,mohli zjednusit system krafteni,podle me je zbytecne slozitej.
LOL zase kritizuju 
Proste toho co hracum vadi se hromadilo tak dlouho,az si jich spousta rekla ze to uz nehodla trpet a vyuzili sance preskocit na WoW nebo to zabalili z RL duvodu nebo skocili na jinou hru.
Jinak je DAOC supr hra s hezkou grafikou i kdyz docela obtiznou pro novacka.Hraju ji od roku 2001 a mam ji i pres ty mouchy,kterych je jak na hlave africkyho domorodce,rad.
Tak ted jsem si pjekne vyplacal jatra 
Na slohovky jsem byl vzdycky machr,optejte se mych kantoru cestiny 
Pokut najdete nejaki hrupki,urcyte je to preklep |
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Diblajz
New Member
448 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2005 : 21:56:00
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Originally posted by Pramen
myslim chlapi, ze byste se meli za svuj miss se omluvit, protoze jak to vypada, taky Yurrk neni ten hrac , za ktereho ho povazujete
Taky mi prijde ze Yurrk neni ten za koho ho povazujete,jen Buh a dotycnej vi pravou identitu.
BTW mrsknete sem nicky ze kterych dotycnej somroval,mohlo by to byt zajimavy pocteni
2 Yurrk: udelat solo 50 neni tak tezky,pokud nejedes healera,klerdu a podobny class anebo nejsi na morderedu,popripade kombinace obojiho |
Edited by - Diblajz on 23/02/2005 22:07:11 |
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Tomcon
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Posted - 24/02/2005 : 02:09:22
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Originally posted by Diblajz
Pokut najdete nejaki hrupki,urcyte je to preklep
Preklep je tvuj post ne  |
Missunderstood - Eldritch DAoC Eden
Missunderztood - Bard DAoC Eden
Missundastood - Chanter DAoC Eden
Missundaztood - Blademaster DAoC Eden |
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Thundeeer
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Posted - 24/02/2005 : 08:19:51
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Kamil asi je zbytocne na toto forum vobec nieco pisat. 95% ludi tu prispievajucich hra na Mordrede pre ktorych su hraci RvR totalne lamy, neschopne a slabe povahy, zergujuci nooby a neviem co este. (aspon to tak vyznieva z postov) Navyse vacsina problemov RvR serverov sa Mordredu vobec netyka (realm balance, NF)
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celdric
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Posted - 24/02/2005 : 10:57:01
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Otazka zni kvuli komu bude Mythic udrzovat servery v chodu, jestli kvuli "par" hracum na Mordredu, nebo tem co jsou na tech podradnych RvR serverech...
BTW ten WoW je fakt chytlavej.... :-) ani jsem necekal ze do toho tak vletim... uvidim jak mi to dlouho vydrzi |
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Nat
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Posted - 24/02/2005 : 11:00:49
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Osobně si nemyslím, že jsou hráči na rvr servru lamy atp. Osobně si pouze myslím, že kdyby ti hráči hráli na pvp servru, tak si užijí ze hry více.
Těch možností je prostě víc (pvp, pve) a těch negativ spojených s vyvážeností realmů jak po stránce technické, tak populační, je méně.
Jistě, že ani hra na pvp servru není ideální, ale z celkového pohledu mi příjde ten čas strávený ve hře více zábavný.
... už třeba jen to, že výše uvedené nářky nad hrou jsou mi taknějak cizí a neztotožňuji se s nimi. |
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Yennefer
mad kobold
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Posted - 24/02/2005 : 11:38:43
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Originally posted by Pramen
myslim chlapi, ze byste se meli za svuj miss se omluvit, protoze jak to vypada, taky Yurrk neni ten hrac , za ktereho ho povazujete
toz koho to je chyba ? nemel by mistr Yurrk pouzit treba podpisu ? |
UO - Yennefer, Jasra (DP)
DAoC - Yenn, Yiyiy, Corwin, https://www.daocutils.com/chimp/corwin
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Yennefer
mad kobold
1603 Posts |
Posted - 24/02/2005 : 11:52:51
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Originally posted by Thundeeer
Kamil asi je zbytocne na toto forum vobec nieco pisat. 95% ludi tu prispievajucich hra na Mordrede pre ktorych su hraci RvR totalne lamy, neschopne a slabe povahy, zergujuci nooby a neviem co este. (aspon to tak vyznieva z postov) Navyse vacsina problemov RvR serverov sa Mordredu vobec netyka (realm balance, NF)
hehe, tohle je velkej omyl kteri si z "neznameho" duvodu pure rvr hraci mysli... vetsina mordredu presla z rvr nebo na nem aktivne hraji, jen malo hracu je "mordred only", takze vetsina vi co to je rvr a pokud budou soudny reknou ti ze to je jinej styl hry ne ze to je lamerina..
rvr je pro mainstreem proto tam je vice "lam" ale jsou tam samozrejme i kvalitni hraci, grupy a je jich hodne, guildy ktere se muzou v pohode srovnavat s mordred pvp guildama |
UO - Yennefer, Jasra (DP)
DAoC - Yenn, Yiyiy, Corwin, https://www.daocutils.com/chimp/corwin
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Pramen
New Member
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Posted - 24/02/2005 : 16:07:28
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Originally posted by Yennefer
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Originally posted by Pramen
myslim chlapi, ze byste se meli za svuj miss se omluvit, protoze jak to vypada, taky Yurrk neni ten hrac , za ktereho ho povazujete
toz koho to je chyba ? nemel by mistr Yurrk pouzit treba podpisu ?
mel by, to by se usetrila stranka topicu. |
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Pramen
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297 Posts |
Posted - 24/02/2005 : 16:14:03
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Originally posted by Yennefer
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rvr je pro mainstreem proto tam je vice "lam" ale jsou tam samozrejme i kvalitni hraci, grupy a je jich hodne, guildy ktere se muzou v pohode srovnavat s mordred pvp guildama
presne tak, z EU RvR nam prisla na Camlann ( PvP ) guilda Lios Alfar a byli velmi dobri, ale kdyz se rozhode dobra tluma lidi prejit tak samozrejme udelali roxx group setup, ktery jsem uz v nejakem topicu psal ale pripomenu:
3 pure healeri z toho jeden 3 spec healer
1 reaver
1 shaman
a 3 castrove bud 2 rm 1 socka nebo naopak...
Ale po prichodu WoW se ta guilda zrusila protoze 99% clenu do nej sli. |
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Tomcon
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Posted - 24/02/2005 : 17:01:21
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WoW ne ted, Wow za rok a vice...
Nathal, Corw: souhlas |
Missunderstood - Eldritch DAoC Eden
Missunderztood - Bard DAoC Eden
Missundastood - Chanter DAoC Eden
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marasCZ
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Posted - 28/02/2005 : 00:23:59
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Originally posted by Ta-Ro
No a na mlf mimo primetime nejni uz vubec nikdo... clovek dojde do aegiru a tam proste nikdo, max 1 hrac u alchemy table.. fakt des bes .. i kdyz docela lidu bejva v bg..( kolem 10ti :P )
ale jinak sux
chtel sem se vratit do rvr, ale s takovou to nema smysl.. zustanu u mordredu :), navic na mlf naprosto vymrela populace cz hracu
TO mas pravdu jsem tu snad jedinej :-)))
Bufina shammy (Nostalgia) |
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Thundeeer
New Member
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 09:25:18
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Celkom dobre citanie :) :
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/67/gameID/11/ |
WoW Twinstar - Horde - Mathrim Horde [tauren - hunter] 1x tyzdenne
Ultima Online - Kelevar - Elessar (retired)
Dark Age of Camelot US - Gareth - Alderienne [eldritch] (retired)
World of Warcraft EU- Drak'thul/Horde - Jaskynka [blood elf hunter] (retired)
bezvyznamne anonymne avatary :)
Rift, DAoC Uthgard, Asheron's Call 2 (frozen), LOTRO (retired), AoC (retired), Warhammer Online (rip),
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Thundeeer
New Member
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 14:13:03
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A info o dalsich patchoch a novom datadisku:
" "Evening all,
Just got back from the Roundtable in Washington DC and thought I would tell a bit about what was discussed and how things went.
Two Updates and one Expansion were shown. 1.76 for release in roughly June 05, 1.77 roughly Sep 05 and the new UNNAMED expansion in Winter 05.
1.76 - This update will be giving Guilds some love. Several things were mentioned as follows.
- An update to the Guild Interface. Making guild items more easily accessable.
- Instituing a merit system. This will have several aspects, but will be a good way to try to keep people in a guild.
- Guild Banners. Usable in RvR. This was very interesting. Each banner has a different ability (ie. with it Abs buff, mez reduction, etc..) Only one banner can be in RvR/Guild at a time. However, if the banner holder dies, the banner falls to the ground and an enemy realm will be able to pick it up and take it back to their guild house and display it like a trophy. The specifics on how long the banner stays in one place before it can be picked up have not been difined yet, but were being worked.
- Guild Missions. Much like RvR missions, but guild specific.
- Guild Dues. A system to pay guild dues. Not much was discussed about this.
1.77 - This update will be giving Classic Camelot a much needed rework. Specifics that were mentioned were updates to Epic Quests and Epic Armor. Making it worth wearing and doing the quests for. Updates to Classic high level areas (Dartmoor, Lyonesse, Llyn Barfog) Updates to the dungeons. etc... Specifics were sketchy but lots of good things were discussed.
- Epics. The big downer on the Epics was that one would have to REDO the epic quests from the beginning to get the new updated armor. However, the quests are being reworked so that peeps would be doing the same final quests for the armor.
- Many individual class bugs were discussed, too many to list, however, not many were new bugs not stated in TL reports.
- Talk about reducing the repair timer on razed towers was mentioned, and other thought on RvR. Some far fetched, some not so far fetched.
New Expansion - The next expansion (presently unnamed, in fact there was a contest to name it at the Roundtable) will be another PAY expansion. The next expansion will be based on each realms (Hib, Mid, Alb) is being "attacked" from within and is having his thone threatened. Players will talk to the king to start the process. This expansion will include several aspects I will discuss below, but will be Champion Quests, Champion Levels, Champion Weapon, and one other thing....
- Champion Quests. These are going to be in 3 phases, presently undetermined as to how it is going to be separated. But will be able to be started at Level 30. The 2nd phase may be at Level 40 with Phase 3 being the Champion Levels at L50.
- Champion Levels. These will additional abilities that you will be able to get, but not as powerful as ML's. Each Champion Level will give like a 50 HP increase or and increase to Power. etc... small things but will give the ability to work on Subclasses. Subclasses are being able to get abilities not normally available to you as a specific archtype. Example: A paladin would be able to get a low level Caster DD, or a Caster could spec in slash and be able to wear and use a sword. etc... certain things WILL NOT be allowed according to Mythic. Stealth, Speed, CC, Climb Walls, and several others will not be able to be Subclassed into. Completing each Champion Level will give one point to put into a subclass culminating to a total of 5 CL points. Titles will also be available at the completion of the Champion levels. Completing all CL's will lead to getting the Champion weapon.
- Champion Weapon. This will be the Weapon equivilent of Epic Armor. Each will be class specific and will be individually created for EACH class. The concept art of the Pally Sword was very nice. Eagle on the hilt and Bright Glowie...
- PLAYER CONTROLLED HORSES. They are coming and we saw the video showing the initial stages of them. With the expansion, at @ L35 everyone would be able to get a horse, however this will be the Standard Horse (free), not customizable. With the pay expansion you will be able to get a customizable horse or several different types. Barding, Armor, Guild colors, etc will be able to be put on the Horse. Horses will not be usable in combat and will travel at Mins/Bard/Skald speed. Completing CL's and other undefined quests, will unlock different abilities of the horse. Saddlebags will be available for additional storage. There is also a plan to be able to name your own horse.
Well, that is all I have at the moment, if you have any questions, go ahead and post and I will do my best to answer them. "
Below is answering Questions from peeps....
"Spectrix: First off.. CC also included Stun so will not be able to be attained in subclass and from what they said the DD will not be all that powerful and won't be instant cast.
Solo:
-> Anything about how many new zones will be implemented? Was anything mentioned about the look or dynamics of those zones?
- There will be 3 new zones total. One in each Realm. The concept art was not really shown for those zones and nothing really was stated as to where they were going to be. What was stated was that the zone will be where the 3rd phase of the Champion Levels will be.
There will also be an addition/change to each capital city. The King will be there... not sure specifically where, but will be there. The "doors that go nowhere" in Cammy Castle were mentioned and the devs got a strange look in their eyes when they were asked about them. They were very elusive about more on those doors.
-> Can you tell a bit more about how the horses looked at initial stage? Was there already some animation?
- The Horses looked Pretty good.. the grafic design from what we were shown did include rippling muscles while running. The detail was pretty good.
- When we were shown the video, we were asked to bring out these plastic coconuts that we were given when we checked in. The Video starts with the sound a of horse running... then it shows a rider... then pans out to the "rider" skipping along... followed closely by another guy with a BIG backpack and a pair of coconuts in his hands... IT WAS ABSOLUTELY CLASSIC!! Most people were begging that they institute that as an optional mount.
- The standard horses looked pretty much like the horses you see at the stablemaster. The advanced horses had different colors and there was talk about different breeds. Sizes were slightly diffenent depending on race of the rider, but horses weren't all that different in each Realm. Does that mean it won't change before release, I don't know. The graffics were Catacombs graffics so they were pretty good.
-> Any chance that some video footage might appear online by some RT Attendees? Or did they ban all cams?
- There were cameras and some video cameras, but I honestly can't say if anyone was filming. I unfortunately didn't get any shots...
-> Can you elaborate a bit more about what is meant with the 3 phases on the Champion Quests?
- The 3 phases were basically thought of as increasing in the story line progression. Mythic was deciding on whether it will be level based (ie... start at 30, continue next part at 40, final part at 50.. or something different). That portions specifics is still in development. Sorry, I can't answer more on that one.
-> Did they say more about story related stuff? e.g. if they want to strengthen that part, which imho lacked in terms of involvement and dialog?
- The story was talked about, but mostly as a general overview. I am not sure I follow the rest of this question. Do you mean Epics or in the Expansion?
-> Did some of you bug them about that darkness rising stuff anyway?
- There were lots of questions, but not alot of them (in my breakout session, there were 3 going at the same time and we rotated thru them) were about the story. Sorry I can't be more specific here.
-> A lot of confusion currently resides about the CL Skill points. To take the example of the low level dd for the paladin. Is it 1:1 comparable in terms of power to a lev5 spec nuke or will there be just five nukes that have individual delve values not comparable to the normal progression of traditional skill trees?
- For the subclassing, each Archtype, would be able to get basic training from a different Archtype trainer. (ie.. Paladin would not be able to see an Armsman trainer, because they are of the same Archtype, however could go to an Elementalist type trainer and learn some spells. Or a Healer for Healing ability or baseline buffs. Or Scout to learn how to use a bow.) What was stated was that the ability would not be OVERPOWERED. Mids would not be able to Chamber, Tanks would not be able to stealth (in fact no class, other than those that already could) would be able to do that.
- It was also stated that you could use all 5 of your CL points in one area making it stronger, or spread it out among several subclasses. 5 in one or 2 in one, 2 in another, 1 in last as an example. Does that help answer that a bit.
-> Whas there anything said about animation reworks? (old topic)
- Nothing that I heard... but what did you mean about animations? Emotes, spell effects, something else??
-> Will the 1.77 update include reworked mob modells as well? How drastic will the rework be? Will it be a complete Redesign including new loot, quests etc? Anything mentioned about the Dragon encounter and model?
- Specifics were not really discussed, however it was stated that the classic zones would get some well deserved "Love". Loot was talked about to make it more desirable, but specifics were hedgy...
-> Did they say anything about Voiceovers?
- Not that I heard
-> Was anything mentioned about Instanced RvR?
- Instanced RvR was not really talked about, but CL's will be Instanced and able to be completed either solo or grouped
-> What do you mean by saying "a customizable horse or several different types"? Different type of horses or types of mounts?
- errr... see above... It think I answered this up there....
-> Regarding Champion Weapons, were there more concept sketches presented than that of the pally weapon? If yes can you elaborate on them a bit.
- The only one we were shown was the Pally sword. To go back into my (hidden) past, I got the impression of a Holy Avenger Sword. The Eagle on the pommel was reminiscent <sp> of the Eagle on the Pally Epic armor, but with wider wings. The sword was Bright Glowy with VERY VERY Yellow/Gold glow. This was a concept art picture and not a grafic in game.
- No other examples were shown, however it was stated that each class would be unique. So the Wizzy staff would look nothing like the Sorc staff etc...
- It was also stated that they were looking on how to have it not only be class specific, but spec specific also and would be able to be turned in if a Respec was done (ie. Pole Arms switch to S/S would be able to change the pole to a sword type thing)" |
WoW Twinstar - Horde - Mathrim Horde [tauren - hunter] 1x tyzdenne
Ultima Online - Kelevar - Elessar (retired)
Dark Age of Camelot US - Gareth - Alderienne [eldritch] (retired)
World of Warcraft EU- Drak'thul/Horde - Jaskynka [blood elf hunter] (retired)
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Kořka
Average Member
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 17:37:19
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Originally posted by Thundeeer
A info o dalsich patchoch a novom datadisku:
- PLAYER CONTROLLED HORSES. They are coming and we saw the video showing the initial stages of them. With the expansion, at @ L35 everyone would be able to get a horse, however this will be the Standard Horse (free), not customizable.
To snad ne! Konec elektronických koní na lístky  |
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Khazrak
Starting Member
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 20:29:53
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Mě po přečtení postu hned zarazilo co Mythic udělá se speed classy. Pokud budou mít mounts speed5 (cetl jsem i o speed 6),tak by to byl celkem podraz pro vsechny bardy,minstrely (mě) a skaldy.
Naštěstí jsem našel tohle:
Hey, I was curious as to what effect mounts will have on the game?
I mean as far as "will minstrels be needed for speed anymore"?
That type of thing.
Odpověd:
This was specifically asked at the Roundtable after they announced mounts... (I was there, this isn't 3rd hand)
A mount will still go slower than a Bard. A bard on a mount will go faster than a non-speed class on a mount.
They are very carefully adjusting the speed to avoid making Minstrels, Skalds, and Bards obsolete.
Also, the free horses anyone can get (without the expansion, even) will be slower than the enhanced horses available to those with the expansion.
They're not decided on whether the mounts can go into the frontier, but you can't fight from them or use them in combat. You can be attacked while riding on a horse - it will disappear and you will be automatically placed in attack stance.
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